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Has there ever been a cyclist bust?
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| alexanderlens |
Posted on 25-09-2012 22:05
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fcancellara wrote:
alexanderlens wrote:
Löfkvist never made it throught either, did he?
Absolutely not trying to attack Pelli 
Of course not. Do you accuse me of that? 
cio93 wrote:
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FreitasPCM wrote:
Markus Fothen...
Don't remind me... 
Right, let's talk about something else...
How about that Wegmann and that Sinkewitz, eh?
I know we Germans probably had an abnormal amount of those guys.
Martin is a excellent ITT, but he totally messed it up as stage racer
Guess who's back? 
Lets see how many friens are still around... |
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| cio93 |
Posted on 25-09-2012 22:06
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roturn wrote:
Surprised you all mention riders like Ulle, Burghardt, Ciolek, Wegmann, Sinkewitz...but nobody says Gerdemann.
MrUfo87 wrote:
kumazan wrote:
Well, Gutiérrez is 34. Not all riders can be like Horner or Voigt.
That's true. And another name of a great talent is Heinrich Haussler. He was such a great talent, but he has (still) not winning very much. And also Linus Gerdemann.
alexanderlens wrote:
cio93 wrote:
issoisso wrote:
cio93 wrote:
FreitasPCM wrote:
Markus Fothen...
Don't remind me...
Right, let's talk about something else...
How about that Wegmann and that Sinkewitz, eh?
I know we Germans probably had an abnormal amount of those guys.
Martin is a excellent ITT, but he totally messed it up as stage racer
Wiggins might not be the only one capable of that, but it's by far not everyone.
And I, like many other Germans, am actually very fine with "only" having a back-to-back ITT world champion.
Although I agree it would need a GT prospect, which isn't in sight yet, to promote cycling in Germany enough.
Sadly, our sprinters won't suffice, but again, I'm very fine with "only" having 3 of the best sprinters in the world, and probably "I'm only one step below Sagan"-Degenkolb.
Edited by cio93 on 25-09-2012 22:11
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| roturn |
Posted on 25-09-2012 22:07
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Martin actually was never a future Tour de France winner. 
The German media just thought, wow, he is great, why not winning the Tour one day...
Edit: Fair enough. Would have had surprised me to not have seen Gerdemann otherwise.
Indeed far too many Germans having a great start but failed afterwards.
Edited by roturn on 25-09-2012 22:08
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| johnnyjur |
Posted on 25-09-2012 22:07
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I had expected more from Duarte, but he's not crap, and still got years in front of him, so won't say he's a bust yet.
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| Schleck96 |
Posted on 25-09-2012 22:07
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Popovych.... |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 25-09-2012 22:12
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roturn wrote:
Surprised you all mention riders like Ulle, Burghardt, Ciolek, Wegmann, Sinkewitz...but nobody says Gerdemann.
Personally it's because Gerdemann was always....how can I put this.....it was obvious his talent was chemically assisted and wouldn't last.
In german youth ranks he was seen in a bad light because of this, he just another guy who randomly became awesome one day out of nowhere, so it kinda became obvious what that was about.
With more stringent tests he went to hell in a handbasket. Like Popo, Karpets, Fothen, etc.
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| kimiopn |
Posted on 25-09-2012 22:14
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roturn wrote:
Martin actually was never a future Tour de France winner.
The German media just thought, wow, he is great, why not winning the Tour one day...
Wiggins a few years ago surely wasn't a candidate to win the Tour...
If Ulrich is a bust, how about Abraham Olano? If Indurain was Maradona, Olano was Ariel Ortega
How about Ricardo Ricco? |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 25-09-2012 22:15
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roturn wrote:
Martin actually was never a future Tour de France winner.
The German media just thought, wow, he is great, why not winning the Tour one day...
Haha yeah. That's why when people say stuff like "this neo pro hagen might win the Tour one day" I laugh and try to explain that the same has been said of so many young talents who couldn't climb just because they were good, like Cancellara or even freaking Boonen!
People never listen though 
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| issoisso |
Posted on 25-09-2012 22:16
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kimiopn wrote:
If Ulrich is a bust, how about Abraham Olano? If Indurain was Maradona, Olano was Ariel Ortega
Candidate for most achieved out of his natural abilities. Guy had a VO2Max in the 60s and was one of the best riders of the decade. I can't think of a single guy who is farther opposed from having wasted potential.
Edited by issoisso on 25-09-2012 22:16
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| johnnyjur |
Posted on 25-09-2012 22:16
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Mads Kaggestad
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 25-09-2012 22:17
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Olano ? Nah, he's achieved more or less as much as he could, given his potential.
Ricco ? Read above for Gerdemann. But instead of slowing down, Ricco didn't chicken... He continued with his habits till he got suspended, and again. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 25-09-2012 22:18
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johnnyjur wrote:
Mads Kaggestad
Or Danny Pate. Greatest talent who's ever cycled, but people who write races palmares always seem to forgot him for some reason. |
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| Bookie |
Posted on 25-09-2012 22:21
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In a way, Jan Bakelants. He won the Tour de l'avenir, he at times destroyed the opposition at u23 races, but he's just not living up to expectations at the pro's. He's a good rider, great spirit and some bad luck, and he may still get there, but he's got to decide what he wants to be (hills classics? GC guy? escape artist?).
Tyler Farrar needs to pull himself together as well. He trained specifically for the northern classics this year, but he was nowhere. Also, his finishing speed seems not what it once was. I hope he'll pull himself together though. Great guy. |
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| lukaas |
Posted on 25-09-2012 22:21
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Petrov, won the u-23 RR and ITT in the same year I think, then he hasn't got any great result except one Giro d' Italia.
I saw someone write Popovych, I totally agree with you. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 25-09-2012 22:29
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Bookie wrote:
In a way, Jan Bakelants. He won the Tour de l'avenir
Because race radio messed up.
When the pack were finally told how much lead the breakaway (him) had, he had over 8 minutes. Won the stage by a few minutes and with only one mountain stage and one time trial after that, ended up holding on to win the GC by half a minute
Also, he's the classic case of the guy whos good at everthing but great at nothing, so wins freely in youth ranks, but nothing in the pros. Because when you get to the pros there are guys who can only do one thing but are extremely good at that one thing....so you end up placing well in every kind of race but not winning any.
See Rojas, JJ (who ended up trying to specialize as a sprinter to combat that)
Just to add one of the biggest mysteries in cycling in my opinion: Rouslan Kaioumov.
Came to the junior worlds in 1999 as the major favorite for both the TT and the road race. Finished 2nd in the TT behind a certain Cancellara, and lost the two man sprint for the road race win to a certain Cunego.
Then disappeared off the face of the planet. And I do mean it, good luck finding ANYTHING about him afterwards.
Edited by issoisso on 25-09-2012 22:35
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| Schleck96 |
Posted on 25-09-2012 22:37
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lukaas wrote:I saw someone write Popovych, I totally agree with you.
I did....
What about Igor Anton? He never really proved his GC Potential.... |
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| pcm2009fan |
Posted on 25-09-2012 22:42
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issoisso wrote:
Just to add one of the biggest mysteries in cycling in my opinion: Rouslan Kaioumov.
Came to the junior worlds in 1999 as the major favorite for both the TT and the road race. Finished 2nd in the TT behind a certain Cancellara, and lost the two man sprint for the road race win to a certain Cunego.
Then disappeared off the face of the planet. And I do mean it, good luck finding ANYTHING about him afterwards.
Googled "Rouslan Kaioumov cycling" and was redirected back to this page, just to prove a point. Very peculiar indeed  |
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 25-09-2012 22:43
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Schleck96 wrote:
lukaas wrote:I saw someone write Popovych, I totally agree with you.
I did....
What about Igor Anton? He never really proved his GC Potential....
He was going to win the Vuelta a few years back, but he crashed.
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What about Cataldo? He's not really been a bust, but he is not on the same level as his junior years. I hope there isn't a reason for that....
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| johnnyjur |
Posted on 25-09-2012 22:45
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Schleck96 wrote:
lukaas wrote:I saw someone write Popovych, I totally agree with you.
I did....
What about Igor Anton? He never really proved his GC Potential....
True enough, BUT he crashed out of what could have been his first GT. If he didn't he would never have been in this discussion.
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| kimiopn |
Posted on 25-09-2012 22:46
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I did....
What about Igor Anton? He never really proved his GC Potential....
At 29 he should have won more but...
Giro d'Italia, 1 Stage
Vuelta a España, 4 Stages
Tour de Romandie, 2 Stages
Tour de Suisse, 1 Stage
...is not that bad.
How about Chicchi? A bit of a flop no?
When i saw Avermaet on 2008 i also thought that he would have won more. Still a great rider |
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