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Tour de France, Stage 16 - Wednesday, Pau - Bagnères-de-Luchon
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| solano |
Posted on 18-07-2012 09:08
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I agree. The hardest climbs are the first two, so someone is going to have to attack there and hope to stay away, like Andy Schleck tried last year. However, like last year Wiggins will probably do what Evans did and drag himself back into it over the final 2 claimbs and the descent to the finish.
An attack on the final climb won't gain enough time, I don't think. |
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| samdiatmh |
Posted on 18-07-2012 09:17
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solano wrote:However, like last year Wiggins will probably do what Evans did and drag himself back into it over the final 2 claimbs and the descent to the finish.
I don't think that Wiggo is capable of doing the kind of effort that Cadel did last year during stage 18
thought tbf, i don't think anyone can this year
I hope, with the allied calls from VDB and Nibbles, that VDB goes up the road on the Peyresoude with Nibbles and Evans catching him on the descent
Though we all hoped for the same in the Giro (stage 17), and it all ended in a mass neutrality |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 18-07-2012 09:22
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samdiatmh wrote:
solano wrote:However, like last year Wiggins will probably do what Evans did and drag himself back into it over the final 2 claimbs and the descent to the finish.
I don't think that Wiggo is capable of doing the kind of effort that Cadel did last year during stage 18
thought tbf, i don't think anyone can this year
Evans had to do it by himself last year because his team has no mountains support for him.
Wiggins won't need to do that, because he does have a strong support team in the mountains.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 18-07-2012 09:26
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SportingNonsense wrote:
samdiatmh wrote:
solano wrote:However, like last year Wiggins will probably do what Evans did and drag himself back into it over the final 2 claimbs and the descent to the finish.
I don't think that Wiggo is capable of doing the kind of effort that Cadel did last year during stage 18
thought tbf, i don't think anyone can this year
Evans had to do it by himself last year because his team has no mountains support for him.
Wiggins won't need to do that, because he does have a strong support team in the mountains.
Indeed, actually i think all the GC disscussions could be pretty useless, since first mountain stage and TT has shown us that Sky will go 1-2 in Paris, only injury could spoil that. From that time,all GC speculations are just an empty talk and wishes, because nobody is able to do anything about that and they know it...
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| CLURPR |
Posted on 18-07-2012 10:34
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I still think Nibali will gain time on the final descent but Evans will be dropped before the summit of Peyresourde  |
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| SweatyViking |
Posted on 18-07-2012 10:37
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Go go Marino! |
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 18-07-2012 10:47
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Voeckler and Sörensen in the breakaway, but no Kessiakoff.
EDIT: Yes, he's there actually! I just didn't see him! 
Edited by Pellizotti2 on 18-07-2012 10:49
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| SweatyViking |
Posted on 18-07-2012 10:47
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Arashiro and Gene in the break  |
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| SweatyViking |
Posted on 18-07-2012 10:55
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Sky should have sent EBH or Knees in the break... |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 18-07-2012 10:57
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SweatyViking wrote:
Sky should have sent EBH or Knees in the break...
Why? That wouldnt help them at all
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| CountArach |
Posted on 18-07-2012 10:57
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Cummings and Hincapie there to set something up for Evans. They were the first two to get to him after his puncture, so they certainly aren't climbing too badly.
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 18-07-2012 10:59
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Intermediate sprint result provides 15 names of those in there:
1. Paulinho (STB) 20pts
2. Casar (FDJ) 17pts
3. Kruiswijk (RAB) 15pts
4. Arashiro (EUC) 13pts
5. Vorganov (KAT) 11pts
6. Cummings (BMC) 10pts
7. Marzano ( 9pts
8. Valls Ferri (VCD) 8pts
9. Voigt (RNT) 7pts
10. Martin (GRS) 6pts
11. Azanza (EUS) 5pts
12. Ladagnous (FDJ) 4pts
13. Kiryienka (MOV) 3pts
14. Levarlet (SAU) 2pts
15. Costa (MOV) 1pt
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| SweatyViking |
Posted on 18-07-2012 11:00
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SportingNonsense wrote:
SweatyViking wrote:
Sky should have sent EBH or Knees in the break...
Why? That wouldnt help them at all
If they get caught at the Aspin/Peyresourde, they could help pace if they saved something in the break |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 18-07-2012 11:02
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SweatyViking wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
SweatyViking wrote:
Sky should have sent EBH or Knees in the break...
Why? That wouldnt help them at all
If they get caught at the Aspin/Peyresourde, they could help pace if they saved something in the break
Or they can pace whole Aubisque and Tourmalet, like they did in other stages Send them to break would be stupid. Sky has won already, not reason to change a thing...
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 18-07-2012 11:02
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SweatyViking wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
SweatyViking wrote:
Sky should have sent EBH or Knees in the break...
Why? That wouldnt help them at all
If they get caught at the Aspin/Peyresourde, they could help pace if they saved something in the break
And then who paces for Sky before that? Theyd have to use Rogers and Porte far too early.
Instead, Knees and EBH will pace the peloton as far as they can go. A much better scenario for Sky.
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| SweatyViking |
Posted on 18-07-2012 11:05
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SportingNonsense wrote:
SweatyViking wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
SweatyViking wrote:
Sky should have sent EBH or Knees in the break...
Why? That wouldnt help them at all
If they get caught at the Aspin/Peyresourde, they could help pace if they saved something in the break
And then who paces for Sky before that? Theyd have to use Rogers and Porte far too early.
Instead, Knees and EBH will pace the peloton as far as they can go. A much better scenario for Sky.
Who are going to attack on Aubisque/Tourmalet anyway? I'd save them for the two lst climbs, let the break fight it out, no dangerous riders there anyway, they could easily allow Martinez to take 15 minutes, he will lose a lot of time tomorrow and in the TT.
Edited by SweatyViking on 18-07-2012 11:08
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 18-07-2012 11:10
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SweatyViking wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
SweatyViking wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
SweatyViking wrote:
Sky should have sent EBH or Knees in the break...
Why? That wouldnt help them at all
If they get caught at the Aspin/Peyresourde, they could help pace if they saved something in the break
And then who paces for Sky before that? Theyd have to use Rogers and Porte far too early.
Instead, Knees and EBH will pace the peloton as far as they can go. A much better scenario for Sky.
Who are going to attack on Aubisque/Tourmalet anyway? I'd save them for the two lst climbs, let the break fight it out, no dangerous riders there anyway, they could easily allow Martinez to take 15 minutes, he will lose a lot of time tomorrow and in the TT.
Sky still need someone to lead the peloton...
Eisel will do it for a bit, but once Cav drops, Eisel goes with him.
Sky have Porte and Rogers for the last 2 climbs. It would make 0 sense to try to engineer it so two weaker climbers can do the work on those climbs instead of doing the work on the first half of the stage, which they have done so well previously
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| SweatyViking |
Posted on 18-07-2012 11:13
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But it is a waste of energy to chase the break unless Martinez takes 20 minutes.. |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 18-07-2012 11:16
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SweatyViking wrote:
But it is a waste of energy to chase the break unless Martinez takes 20 minutes..
Where did I mention chasing the break? I didnt. And they won't
But Sky still need to set a controlling tempo! And eventually, they will start riding in order to weaken all the others in the peloton - just as they have done previously.
Edited by SportingNonsense on 18-07-2012 11:17
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| Smowz |
Posted on 18-07-2012 11:17
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I cannot see too much happening in the pack on the Aubisque other than a reasonable pace by the pack. There is 48 km between the summit of the Aubisque and the start of the Tormalet.
Plenty of interest though in that massive break with three of the top four in the King of the Mountains. CA Sorenson, Voeckler and Kessiakoff. Voeckler and Sorenson really need to put pressure on Kessiakoff finishing a place or two ahead will help but I don't think will close the gap quick enough.
The Tormalet, Aspin and Peyresoude though is going to be survival of the fittest, very much looking forward to watching that one.
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