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| mb2612 |
Posted on 03-06-2012 00:28
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ruben wrote:
I find both Valverde and Rodriguez boring in mountain stages. (not in hills where they do the occasional early attacks...) They both do the same although I would like to note Valverde saves his attacks to even the last 200m sprint.. he rides mountains like a sprinter.
Rodriguez attacks at 1km/800m to go. But it's still a negative style of racing.
Wiggins isn't really a wheelsucker, as soon as others attack he takes up the pace himself when his team is gone and ride his own pace up the climb. It might not be a spectacular as an acceleration, but its still sort-of-an attack/counter attack to me.
Same with Evans, Basso, Gesink and other tempo climbers. People mistakenly see an acceleration as the only form of attack. While a steadily increasing pace is actually an attack as well... (because it drops riders!)
I don't remember Wiggins really attacking with his tempo the way Basso does.
For Valverde, I would raise you a Dauphine victory, which he attacked to win.
For me Wiggins could be useful if his presence inspires other people to attack, but in of himself he doesn't ever do anything exciting. As such a race which Wiggins wins is almost certainly going to be a dull one, and as such, I want him to come no where near victory in the tour.
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 03-06-2012 01:04
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mb2612 wrote:
ruben wrote:
I find both Valverde and Rodriguez boring in mountain stages. (not in hills where they do the occasional early attacks...) They both do the same although I would like to note Valverde saves his attacks to even the last 200m sprint.. he rides mountains like a sprinter.
Rodriguez attacks at 1km/800m to go. But it's still a negative style of racing.
Wiggins isn't really a wheelsucker, as soon as others attack he takes up the pace himself when his team is gone and ride his own pace up the climb. It might not be a spectacular as an acceleration, but its still sort-of-an attack/counter attack to me.
Same with Evans, Basso, Gesink and other tempo climbers. People mistakenly see an acceleration as the only form of attack. While a steadily increasing pace is actually an attack as well... (because it drops riders!)
I don't remember Wiggins really attacking with his tempo the way Basso does.
For Valverde, I would raise you a Dauphine victory, which he attacked to win.
For me Wiggins could be useful if his presence inspires other people to attack, but in of himself he doesn't ever do anything exciting. As such a race which Wiggins wins is almost certainly going to be a dull one, and as such, I want him to come no where near victory in the tour.
It would probably be better if he was very close to victory in the Tour because then people would be attacking all the time...
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 03-06-2012 08:57
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I'm curious about Van Den Broeck, he's been training a lot in the mountains.
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| FreitasPCM |
Posted on 03-06-2012 09:12
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I've been saving this for a year now, let's see if Van Dongen's prediction is correct. 
Van Dongen has the highest expectations for his (Wilco Kelderman) protégé. “Lars Boom won the prologue the Critérium du Dauphiné today. Next year, Wilco will do the same.” |
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 03-06-2012 11:11
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Prologue began, Top 5 so far :
| 1.GRIVKO A.25AST00:06:41 | | 2.BARREDO C.182RAB00:06:4100:00:00 | | 3.GERRANS S.171OGE00:06:4400:00:02 | | 4.EVANS C.11BMC00:06:4400:00:03 | | 5.HAGEN E.3SKY00:06:4600:00:04 |
Hagen very disappointing, but expexted.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 03-06-2012 11:12
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FreitasPCM wrote:
I've been saving this for a year now, let's see if Van Dongen's prediction is correct.
Van Dongen has the highest expectations for his (Wilco Kelderman) protégé. “Lars Boom won the prologue the Critérium du Dauphiné today. Next year, Wilco will do the same.”
I don't trust any guy named "Van Dong-en"
That's the worst name I've heard since CNN interviewed a korean violinist named "Dong Suk"
Edited by issoisso on 03-06-2012 11:13
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"I love him, I think he's great. He's transformed the sport in so many ways. Every person in cycling has benefitted from Lance Armstrong, perhaps not financially but in some sense" - Bradley Wiggins on Lance Armstrong
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 03-06-2012 11:18
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Durbirdge sets best time with 06:39. Quite a nice time. Martin starting in 10 minutes.
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| jsh312mufc |
Posted on 03-06-2012 11:19
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Alakagom wrote:
Prologue began, Top 5 so far :
| 1.GRIVKO A.25AST00:06:41 | | 2.BARREDO C.182RAB00:06:4100:00:00 | | 3.GERRANS S.171OGE00:06:4400:00:02 | | 4.EVANS C.11BMC00:06:4400:00:03 | | 5.HAGEN E.3SKY00:06:4600:00:04 |
Hagen very disappointing, but expexted.
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 03-06-2012 11:22
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Depends, as I said before in the afternoon thunderstorms are expected and Wiggins is leaving last 
Edited by Alakagom on 03-06-2012 11:22
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| issoisso |
Posted on 03-06-2012 11:29
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Evans not in form apparently
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 03-06-2012 11:30
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Tejay Van Garderen in with 06:50 and Vino with 06:57 places them both 13th and 18th so far.
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 03-06-2012 11:35
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Are there any streams available yet? The first ones from cyclingfans appear to start a bit later.
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 03-06-2012 11:36
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I don't think so.
Okay, rain began. Will cause big disadvantage to everyone starting now.
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 03-06-2012 11:38
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Tony Martin finishes 5 seconds of the leader's pace. 06:43 and 5th now.
It's official, Barredo beats Tony Martin in a prologue
Edited by Alakagom on 03-06-2012 11:39
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| jaxika |
Posted on 03-06-2012 11:49
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Any stream? |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 03-06-2012 11:54
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What happened to Westra then, wasnt he starting 1st?
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| carmelobymelo |
Posted on 03-06-2012 11:54
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Live text updates - https://translate.google.com/translate...ISO-8859-1 , https://www.letour.fr/2012/CDD/LIVE/fr...ronos.html
Rai Sport 2 broadcast starts soon.
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 03-06-2012 11:56
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SportingNonsense wrote:
What happened to Westra then, wasnt he starting 1st?
7 seconds back
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 03-06-2012 11:56
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SportingNonsense wrote:
What happened to Westra then, wasnt he starting 1st?
Yea, he finished with quite good time and is 9th with 06:46
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 03-06-2012 11:57
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Top 15 so far :
| 1. | DURBRIDGE Luke | 173 | ORICA GREENEDGE | 00:06:39 | | | 2. | GRIVKO Andriy | 25 | ASTANA PRO TEAM | 00:06:41 | 00:00:03 | | 3. | BARREDO Carlos | 182 | RABOBANK CYCLING TEAM | 00:06:41 | 00:00:03 | | 4. | MARTIN Tony | 161 | OMEGA PHARMA-QUICK STEP | 00:06:43 | 00:00:05 | | 5. | GERRANS Simon | 171 | ORICA GREENEDGE | 00:06:44 | 00:00:05 | | 6. | MARTENS Paul | 184 | RABOBANK CYCLING TEAM | 00:06:44 | 00:00:05 | | 7. | EVANS Cadel | 11 | BMC RACING TEAM | 00:06:44 | 00:00:06 | | 8. | HAGEN Edvald Boasson | 3 | SKY PROCYCLING | 00:06:46 | 00:00:07 | | 9. | WESTRA Lieuwe | 211 | VACANSOLEIL-DCM | 00:06:46 | 00:00:07 | | 10. | RUIJGH Rob | 217 | VACANSOLEIL-DCM | 00:06:47 | 00:00:09 | | 11. | CIOLEK Gerald | 163 | OMEGA PHARMA-QUICK STEP | 00:06:48 | 00:00:09 | | 12. | IRIZAR Markel | 73 | RADIOSHACK-NISSAN | 00:06:48 | 00:00:09 | | 13. | LEMOINE Cyril | 195 | SAUR-SOJASUN | 00:06:48 | 00:00:10 | | 14. | HOWARD Leigh | 174 | ORICA GREENEDGE | 00:06:49 | 00:00:10 | | 15. | ROGERS Michael | 7 | SKY PROCYCLING | 00:06:49 | 00:00:10 |
Riders like Rogers and Martin has been influenced it was suggested.
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