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itsmichael wrote:
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Switching from 5000 to the marathon is very unusual. Plus running marathons that young is not common either, I think.
I'm not expecting to run marathons before I turn 35 or something. I stick to things that are more or less between 10 km and semi-marathons. I might do shorter stuff (more pacey) this Winter though.
Hmm for me it isn't that hard, my condition is pretty good. Off course I will not run a time under the 3 hours the first time, but I'll certainly finish in time.
Out of curiosity, what's the furthest you've run before?
In a race or training?
Race; 10549 (1/4 marathon)
Training; 40km
Cool, I have a little advice for you, given I came into my first marathon from a pretty similar background than you (although I was a couple of years older than you).
First, don't even begin to overestimate just how far a marathon is. Given your age and that you come from a shorter distance background, you'd be amazed just how much endurance you need for a marathon. Even the difference in terms of toughness between 40km and a marathon is significant. Those ~2 miles make a huge, huge difference. So make sure you get enough miles on your legs in training
Second bit of advice depends on how big the marathon you run is. My first marathon was London, which was busy to say the least. The first few miles were painfully slow, mostly walking/slow jog because the runners needed time to spread out. This also meant running a lot of extra distance when trying to weave in and out of slower runners (my GPS had me running close to 29 miles!). So if it's busy, try to get near the front.
Thirdly, get your equipment right. Especially at your age, make sure you get shoes that fit right (you should preferably get new shoes just before you start training, shoes with too many miles generally provide poorer support), as well as proper running socks. A lot of running injuries from the hips downwards can often be traced down to poor footwear. And perhaps the most important piece of advice I can give you is, for the love of all that is good and holy, wear something to protect your nipples. Nipple chafing will happen on longer runs, and is one of the most painful experiences you can have as a runner. I use physio tape which works perfectly.
Finally and most importantly, enjoy it. Even if you have to walk loads, a marathon is great fun, especially if you talk and interact with other runners and spectators. Compared to the training (which is hell by the way  ), the marathon is actually pretty easy.
This is probably stuff you already know (or a pile of drivel ), but just ask if you want any more advice (and keep us up to date!) 
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 23-07-2012 22:22
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I never experienced the nipples chafing, but a mate of me (he used to be famous in the CyM/PCM community) told me about it. Especially that it's even worst when it's raining.
What I experience though, with the two brands of shorts I've tried, is thigs chafing. Thankfully I only that kind of running shorts for competitions, but it's really painful after 10 km. First time I though an insect or a couple of them had stung me, but the parallel shapes on both my things (the inside actually) ruled that out, plus the fact that it's happened every time since then.
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| itsmichael |
Posted on 23-07-2012 22:32
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Crommy wrote:
This is probably stuff you already know (or a pile of drivel ), but just ask if you want any more advice (and keep us up to date!)
Thank you for the advice, yes most of the things I knew allready. I have the right shoes for me (as I work in a shoe shop I know a lot about shoes haha).
The one thing I didn't really realize was the thing about the start position. My first marathon will be in Apeldoorn, it's a hilly course and last year there where 461 runners so.. i don't think it is that busy... is it?
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Posted on 23-07-2012 22:40
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If you are planning on running a marathon and want to aim for something more then just finishing, I reccomend that you start with 5000- and 10 000 metres first.
I know some people who went straight from the couch and started training for a marthon. They finished it without a problem, but my God how slow they are!
I've never ran a marathon, but even though they have I am absolutely humiliating them on the 5- and 10k. Because they started with marathon running they have absolutely no speed what so ever.
I will most likely make the transition to marathon running in about 10 years time, but before that I want to keep on doing "conventional" long distance running untill I've hit my 30's.
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| Crommy |
Posted on 23-07-2012 22:41
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Aquarius wrote:
I never experienced the nipples chafing, but a mate of me (he used to be famous in the CyM/PCM community) told me about it. Especially that it's even worst when it's raining.
What I experience though, with the two brands of shorts I've tried, is thigs chafing. Thankfully I only that kind of running shorts for competitions, but it's really painful after 10 km. First time I though an insect or a couple of them had stung me, but the parallel shapes on both my things (the inside actually) ruled that out, plus the fact that it's happened every time since then.
Do you still run, btw, Crommy ?
I'm still going yes. Up until I was 17 I was at a decent level and took it quite seriously. Since then I've had a string of injuries which kind of killed my motivation in terms of running for competition standard. But I'm now starting to get back into it.
I mostly prefer cross country and road running.
I suppose I'd better post some times. The half marathon and marathon times are poor, I know. In fairness, I'm still yet to run a half marathon/marathon even close to injury free:
800m: 2:05
10km: 38:09
Half-marathon: 1:37:08
Marathon: 4:05
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| Crommy |
Posted on 23-07-2012 22:44
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itsmichael wrote:
Crommy wrote:
This is probably stuff you already know (or a pile of drivel ), but just ask if you want any more advice (and keep us up to date!)
Thank you for the advice, yes most of the things I knew allready. I have the right shoes for me (as I work in a shoe shop I know a lot about shoes haha).
The one thing I didn't really realize was the thing about the start position. My first marathon will be in Apeldoorn, it's a hilly course and last year there where 461 runners so.. i don't think it is that busy... is it?
Thank you (:
461 is not even close to busy. For comparison London has just under 50,000. You could start at the back (although don't ) and you'd be fine
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| fcancellara |
Posted on 23-07-2012 22:45
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Crommy wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
I never experienced the nipples chafing, but a mate of me (he used to be famous in the CyM/PCM community) told me about it. Especially that it's even worst when it's raining.
What I experience though, with the two brands of shorts I've tried, is thigs chafing. Thankfully I only that kind of running shorts for competitions, but it's really painful after 10 km. First time I though an insect or a couple of them had stung me, but the parallel shapes on both my things (the inside actually) ruled that out, plus the fact that it's happened every time since then.
Do you still run, btw, Crommy ?
I'm still going yes. Up until I was 17 I was at a decent level and took it quite seriously. Since then I've had a string of injuries which kind of killed my motivation in terms of running for competition standard. But I'm now starting to get back into it.
I mostly prefer cross country and road running.
I suppose I'd better post some times. The half marathon and marathon times are poor, I know. In fairness, I'm still yet to run a half marathon/marathon even close to injury free:
800m: 2:05
10km: 38:09
Half-marathon: 1:37:08
Marathon: 4:05
You should focus on the 10km and 21km
If I were you I would save the marathon for later, it is not good for your body.
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Posted on 23-07-2012 22:47
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fcancellara wrote:
Crommy wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
I never experienced the nipples chafing, but a mate of me (he used to be famous in the CyM/PCM community) told me about it. Especially that it's even worst when it's raining.
What I experience though, with the two brands of shorts I've tried, is thigs chafing. Thankfully I only that kind of running shorts for competitions, but it's really painful after 10 km. First time I though an insect or a couple of them had stung me, but the parallel shapes on both my things (the inside actually) ruled that out, plus the fact that it's happened every time since then.
Do you still run, btw, Crommy ?
I'm still going yes. Up until I was 17 I was at a decent level and took it quite seriously. Since then I've had a string of injuries which kind of killed my motivation in terms of running for competition standard. But I'm now starting to get back into it.
I mostly prefer cross country and road running.
I suppose I'd better post some times. The half marathon and marathon times are poor, I know. In fairness, I'm still yet to run a half marathon/marathon even close to injury free:
800m: 2:05
10km: 38:09
Half-marathon: 1:37:08
Marathon: 4:05
You should focus on the 10km and 21km
If I were you I would save the marathon for later, it is not good for your body.
+1
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| Crommy |
Posted on 23-07-2012 23:05
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jseadog1 wrote:
fcancellara wrote:
Crommy wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
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You should focus on the 10km and 21km
If I were you I would save the marathon for later, it is not good for your body.
+1
Thanks for the advice. I'm not planning any marathons in the near future, trying to fit in the training around my life is a bit hectic at the moment.
Just in case anyone is interested though, here's why my longer distance times are poor. When I started to up the mileage, it was not good for my body at all. I used to get lots of joint problems, especially in the ankles and knees. I just assumed it was just a continuation of the growing pains I had when I was slightly younger (I had a condition similar to this). Turned out the problem was that my muscles weren't strong enough to cope with consistently long distances. If the main muscles supporting joints can't cope, this means weaker secondary muscles try to come in to add support, which puts pressure on joints leading to conditions such as my old favourite, tendonitis.
So I got lots of strength exercises from my physio, hit the gym, and now my body is strong enough to cope with the distances (I can easily go to 20 miles in training). I just haven't entered a race over 10km on the road in over 18 months, and to be honest, the hunt for a new 10km PB is quite enjoyable at the moment 
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| fcancellara |
Posted on 23-07-2012 23:15
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Crommy wrote:
jseadog1 wrote:
fcancellara wrote:
Crommy wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
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You should focus on the 10km and 21km
If I were you I would save the marathon for later, it is not good for your body.
+1
Thanks for the advice. I'm not planning any marathons in the near future, trying to fit in the training around my life is a bit hectic at the moment.
Just in case anyone is interested though, here's why my longer distance times are poor. When I started to up the mileage, it was not good for my body at all. I used to get lots of joint problems, especially in the ankles and knees. I just assumed it was just a continuation of the growing pains I had when I was slightly younger (I had a condition similar to this). Turned out the problem was that my muscles weren't strong enough to cope with consistently long distances. If the main muscles supporting joints can't cope, this means weaker secondary muscles try to come in to add support, which puts pressure on joints leading to conditions such as my old favourite, tendonitis.
So I got lots of strength exercises from my physio, hit the gym, and now my body is strong enough to cope with the distances (I can easily go to 20 miles in training). I just haven't entered a race over 10km on the road in over 18 months, and to be honest, the hunt for a new 10km PB is quite enjoyable at the moment
I always have had pain in my heels and achilles tendons after distances longer than a km, at some point I could hardly walk after a race, but the last few months I almost did not notice that injury 
Crommy, I wish you the best, you really deserve it!
Come on, 30 seconds faster must be achievable!
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Posted on 28-07-2012 02:40
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Just got back from a 5K, I finished 2nd out of 80!
I got a 19:22 and the winner was a 28 year old male who got a 17:38.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 04-08-2012 12:55
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I did a 9,7 km race last evening. It seems they still haven't uploaded the results...
Anyway, for once nothing went wrong (no stomach bug, no improper warm up, etc.). The course had some climbing, but nothing too difficult. Approximately one third of the course was on paths, with little to no opportunity to overtake, and he first 650 m were around an athletic track (1,5+ lap), and turned out to be a mess, with 310 runners.
I ended up 73rd, with a satisfying time of 38'37" (maybe 38", I'll be sure when the results will be online).
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Posted on 04-08-2012 13:35
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Got my 100 under 13 seconds for the first time, which was nice. Now to get it down to under 12.5 |
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Posted on 04-08-2012 20:28
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jph27 wrote:
Got my 100 under 13 seconds for the first time, which was nice. Now to get it down to under 12.5
That can be a long process. Youll have to scrape them by tenth usually. Or you get a huge boost when you age (until your 21-23. from then on everything is achieved through training)
On another note (since we are already talking about pb's:
Pusheb mine down by 4/10 to a 24.74 over the 200m. Not to bad since i achieved my goal for the season (which was disrupted by some injuries)
and ran i whopping 1.7 secondas quicker over the 400m in a meeting today!
Just as a questions: Are the pb's youguys are naming handstopped or electronically stopped times?
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Posted on 04-08-2012 20:43
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miggi133 wrote:
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Just as a questions: Are the pb's youguys are naming handstopped or electronically stopped times?
electronically |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 04-08-2012 21:13
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Electronically (shoe chip) for big events, hand-stopped elsewhere, but I don't really care if they steal or give me a couple of seconds, as I generally do long distances nowadays (9,7 km yesterday was unusually short). |
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Posted on 04-08-2012 21:14
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Just ran a 5K today at the local fair. It was ABSOLUTELY LONGER than a 5K and I posted a summer worst 21:42.....
Finished 6th overall. Next one is my senior project race on the 11th that I am hosting and unfortunately cannot run.
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Posted on 04-08-2012 21:18
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Blame the Brits and their imperial system that you use (you do, right ?) for having people at yours unable to measure kilometres properly along a course.
Just kidding, this happens here too, but the other way round, generally it makes people destroy their p.b. (in minutes per km). At least that's getting you ready for longer distances for when you'll be old. |
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Posted on 04-08-2012 21:29
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jseadog1 wrote:
Just ran a 5K today at the local fair. It was ABSOLUTELY LONGER than a 5K and I posted a summer worst 21:42.....
Finished 6th overall. Next one is my senior project race on the 11th that I am hosting and unfortunately cannot run.
Reminds of a cycling race that should have been 36km but was 42km and the race organisers complained about us riders being too slow.
I used to be good runner when i was 14/15 but then i only did cycling. Depending on where i´ll study i´ll may switch to running again to finally beat the 40min on 10km.
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Posted on 04-08-2012 21:47
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Aquarius wrote:
Electronically (shoe chip) for big events, hand-stopped elsewhere, but I don't really care if they steal or give me a couple of seconds, as I generally do long distances nowadays (9,7 km yesterday was unusually short).
Well the question is more intended for sprinters, since they like to trick with their pbs a bit ^^
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