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Doping in cycling, is it really?
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| kumazan |
Posted on 29-05-2012 13:56
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I found him guilty of being ridiculous. Just like the rest of his blue mates, but for some reason he's my favourite.
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| Montolivo |
Posted on 29-05-2012 14:21
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sutty68 wrote:
Montolivo wrote:
ahhh. I am not the only one with Diabetes here. I have Type 1.
How long have you had it mate 
Got it in March/April 2003. First i got the usual symptoms that i went to the friggin toilet every 20m  and drank enormous amounts of water. I had that for a week and i got very bad and had to wait quite some time felt like days i remember before i got the hospital and then went with helicopter to another hospital. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 29-05-2012 14:37
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kumazan wrote:
I found him guilty of being ridiculous. Just like the rest of his blue mates, but for some reason he's my favourite.
It is true that he was quite unbelievable in what he he did for Lance in all that Tours.
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 29-05-2012 15:40
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Montolivo wrote:
sutty68 wrote:
Montolivo wrote:
ahhh. I am not the only one with Diabetes here. I have Type 1.
How long have you had it mate
Got it in March/April 2003. First i got the usual symptoms that i went to the friggin toilet every 20m and drank enormous amounts of water. I had that for a week and i got very bad and had to wait quite some time felt like days i remember before i got the hospital and then went with helicopter to another hospital.
I was exactly the same, was drinking up to 8 pints of water a day, finally got to hospital and had to stay in for a month, wont forget any of that in a hurry |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 29-05-2012 15:42
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sutty68 wrote:
Montolivo wrote:
sutty68 wrote:
Montolivo wrote:
ahhh. I am not the only one with Diabetes here. I have Type 1.
How long have you had it mate
Got it in March/April 2003. First i got the usual symptoms that i went to the friggin toilet every 20m and drank enormous amounts of water. I had that for a week and i got very bad and had to wait quite some time felt like days i remember before i got the hospital and then went with helicopter to another hospital.
I was exactly the same, was drinking up to 8 pints of water a day, finally got to hospital and had to stay in for a month, wont forget any of that in a hurry
What a bummer... I don't think you'll ever forget a thing like that. Hell, My longest time in hospital was one night, and that was already too much for me! |
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 29-05-2012 15:54
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Ian Butler wrote:
sutty68 wrote:
Montolivo wrote:
sutty68 wrote:
Montolivo wrote:
ahhh. I am not the only one with Diabetes here. I have Type 1.
How long have you had it mate
Got it in March/April 2003. First i got the usual symptoms that i went to the friggin toilet every 20m and drank enormous amounts of water. I had that for a week and i got very bad and had to wait quite some time felt like days i remember before i got the hospital and then went with helicopter to another hospital.
I was exactly the same, was drinking up to 8 pints of water a day, finally got to hospital and had to stay in for a month, wont forget any of that in a hurry
What a bummer... I don't think you'll ever forget a thing like that. Hell, My longest time in hospital was one night, and that was already too much for me!
Hospitals can be horrible places sometimes especially when you are young |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 29-05-2012 15:57
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sutty68 wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
sutty68 wrote:
Montolivo wrote:
sutty68 wrote:
Montolivo wrote:
ahhh. I am not the only one with Diabetes here. I have Type 1.
How long have you had it mate
Got it in March/April 2003. First i got the usual symptoms that i went to the friggin toilet every 20m and drank enormous amounts of water. I had that for a week and i got very bad and had to wait quite some time felt like days i remember before i got the hospital and then went with helicopter to another hospital.
I was exactly the same, was drinking up to 8 pints of water a day, finally got to hospital and had to stay in for a month, wont forget any of that in a hurry
What a bummer... I don't think you'll ever forget a thing like that. Hell, My longest time in hospital was one night, and that was already too much for me!
Hospitals can be horrible places sometimes especially when you are young
Yeah, I can imagine! But, of course, we should be happy they're there! Still doesn't make it a fun place, but it's more "fun" than not treating a condition. |
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 29-05-2012 15:58
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Ian Butler wrote:
sutty68 wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
sutty68 wrote:
Montolivo wrote:
sutty68 wrote:
Montolivo wrote:
ahhh. I am not the only one with Diabetes here. I have Type 1.
How long have you had it mate
Got it in March/April 2003. First i got the usual symptoms that i went to the friggin toilet every 20m and drank enormous amounts of water. I had that for a week and i got very bad and had to wait quite some time felt like days i remember before i got the hospital and then went with helicopter to another hospital.
I was exactly the same, was drinking up to 8 pints of water a day, finally got to hospital and had to stay in for a month, wont forget any of that in a hurry
What a bummer... I don't think you'll ever forget a thing like that. Hell, My longest time in hospital was one night, and that was already too much for me!
Hospitals can be horrible places sometimes especially when you are young
Yeah, I can imagine! But, of course, we should be happy they're there! Still doesn't make it a fun place, but it's more "fun" than not treating a condition.
Totally agree with you |
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| Squire |
Posted on 29-05-2012 16:09
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kumazan wrote:
Feketelaszlo wrote:
Doping medicines are not miracles - they won't make you superman.
Oh really? Ask Quique Gutiérrez about it.
Or Bernhard Kohl.
Or Pavel Padrnos.
Or Bjarne Riis.
Or Jörg Jaksche.
Or Iban Mayo.
Or Isidro Nozal.
Or Francisco Mancebo.
Or...
Ey, be nice to Iban! 
He was of course helped on a bit by the juice, but he would have been superman regardless. You don't take 2 mins out of Armstrong in a Ventoux TT without being a natural.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 29-05-2012 19:56
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kumazan wrote:
Feketelaszlo wrote:
Doping medicines are not miracles - they won't make you superman.
Oh really? Ask Quique Gutiérrez about it.
Or Bernhard Kohl.
Or Pavel Padrnos.
Or Bjarne Riis.
Or Jörg Jaksche.
Or Iban Mayo.
Or Isidro Nozal.
Or Francisco Mancebo.
Or...
Thanks, I was running short on examples.
I could also mention all the heavy dudes who suddenly became top climbers in the early 90's.
Who won mountain stages before ? Either super talents like LeMond, Fignon, Hinault, or pure climbers (small size, explosive, but not worth anything in long flat ITT, you get the idea).
From the moment EPO was introduced, the fat arses could climb as well as the climbers, when not better.
Even better, a former professional was a climber at the amateurs, in the late 80's. He's used doping all his career long. Depending on what he was on, he was a good sprinter (not what you'd call world class, but enough to win a sprinter jersey in a Grand Tour, thanks to his sprinting skills).
Then he turned into a classics riders. Why not, after all... I suppose classics were not enough for him, he suddenly grew an amazing skill to target G.T. general classifications, heck, he even won one.
Want to hear a better joke ? The man became such a good time-trialist that he... won the world championships.
What more could he achieve ? How about king of the mountains several times in Grand Tours ? He did that too.
I'm not sure it's humanly possible to change that much in one life time, without the help of any dope. And that made the rider some sort of superman, no matter what natural talent he had/has. |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 29-05-2012 20:14
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Haha, riding for ONCE made anything possible. They were even more hilarious than the best US Postal, but, being Spanish, obviously less efficient as well.
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| arthon |
Posted on 29-05-2012 20:27
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Aquarius wrote:
Even better, a former professional was a climber at the amateurs, in the late 80's. He's used doping all his career long. Depending on what he was on, he was a good sprinter (not what you'd call world class, but enough to win a sprinter jersey in a Grand Tour, thanks to his sprinting skills).
Then he turned into a classics riders. Why not, after all... I suppose classics were not enough for him, he suddenly grew an amazing skill to target G.T. general classifications, heck, he even won one.
Want to hear a better joke ? The man became such a good time-trialist that he... won the world championships.
What more could he achieve ? How about king of the mountains several times in Grand Tours ? He did that too.
Wow, the guy must've been a phenomenon. Could you give me a name? |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 29-05-2012 20:29
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Laurent Jalabert.
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| rapace85 |
Posted on 29-05-2012 20:30
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I think it's Jaja... |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 29-05-2012 20:30
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arthon wrote:
Wow, the guy must've been a phenomenon
That's putting it mildly. Doping or no doping, the guy was one of the best riders of all time.
1989, age 20, great results in french races as a neo-pro, 13th in Paris-Tours
1990, age 21, great results in french races again, 11th in Paris-Nice, 2nd in San Sebastián
1991, age 22, 2nd in the Tour de France points jersey, 2nd in Paris-Nice, 2nd in the World Cup finishing in the top 10 or 20 of every single monument including his first ever Paris-Roubaix
At a young age he was already simultaneously a top sprinter, a top classics rider, a great time triallist and a great climber.
He could quite literally do everything very well. There's been very few like him in the history of the sport.
To suggest that this guy was anything other than outrageously talented from the get go is to simply not know the facts.
It's not so much that he had an incredible jump in quality in 1995, it's more that he had an unrepeatable season in 1995 in the sense that he somehow managed to keep a form peak throghout the whole of it. He never did that again.
And he was a top rider for an awfully long time. One of the top ranked riders in the world year after year from 1991 all the way to the end of the decade in 1999 where he would've won the Giro if he hadn't crashed and lost minutes on the penultimate stage.
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| ruben |
Posted on 29-05-2012 20:49
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Meh, Sagan could copy Jalabert |
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| shraggi |
Posted on 29-05-2012 21:18
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ruben wrote:
Meh, Sagan could copy Jalabert
With or without?
"That stage will start full gas, be ridden full gas and will finish full gas"
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 29-05-2012 21:37
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ruben wrote:
Meh, Sagan could copy Jalabert
He seems heavier though (I might be wrong about that, I don't know the figures), so he'd struggle a little more in the high mountains.
Although, one or two decades ago, that wouldn't have mattered that much. |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 29-05-2012 21:41
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Aquarius wrote:
ruben wrote:
Meh, Sagan could copy Jalabert
He seems heavier though (I might be wrong about that, I don't know the figures), so he'd struggle a little more in the high mountains.
Although, one or two decades ago, that wouldn't have mattered that much.
Yeah, bit heavier, a lesser climber. But he'll do other great things, no doubt, he's got a lot of talent, without a doubt. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 30-05-2012 07:16
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shraggi wrote:
ruben wrote:
Meh, Sagan could copy Jalabert
With or without?
I will go berserk if somebody will link Sagan with doping, even when joking
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