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baseballlover312 |
Posted on 23-08-2011 23:38
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valverde321 wrote:
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kumazan wrote:
gregor wrote:
It needs to be over 10% to be real hard, and exciting.
No it doesn't. But it seldom goes over 5%, so it suits the likes of Leipheimer better than the likes of Henao, imo.
Exactly, any TT favors Leipheimer, and remember, he's a great climber! He fished the TDF 3rd in 07. He's very capable.
I tend to disagree, with him still being a great climber. That was 4 years ago, and what is he now 37, 36? Levi is still a good TTer, but I wouldn't say he's a "great" climber anymore. He's still a decent climber, but he's worsened since then.
Or atleast using a result from 4 years ago, might be a little outdated for this arguement, if you get my point.
And Levi still has a great shot at winning this race, so maybe I'm just wasting my words a bit there.
Whatever you say
My point was that was 4 years ago and he's not as good anymore.
And he isn't a great climber that was a 2.5km climb
Well, it was a 2.5 KM climb for Evans, The Schlecks, Henoa, Danielson, and Vandevelde too! They couldn't do anything!
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valverde321 |
Posted on 23-08-2011 23:41
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baseballlover312 wrote:
valverde321 wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
valverde321 wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
kumazan wrote:
gregor wrote:
It needs to be over 10% to be real hard, and exciting.
No it doesn't. But it seldom goes over 5%, so it suits the likes of Leipheimer better than the likes of Henao, imo.
Exactly, any TT favors Leipheimer, and remember, he's a great climber! He fished the TDF 3rd in 07. He's very capable.
I tend to disagree, with him still being a great climber. That was 4 years ago, and what is he now 37, 36? Levi is still a good TTer, but I wouldn't say he's a "great" climber anymore. He's still a decent climber, but he's worsened since then.
Or atleast using a result from 4 years ago, might be a little outdated for this arguement, if you get my point.
And Levi still has a great shot at winning this race, so maybe I'm just wasting my words a bit there.
Whatever you say
My point was that was 4 years ago and he's not as good anymore.
And he isn't a great climber that was a 2.5km climb
Well, it was a 2.5 KM climb for Evans, The Schlecks, Henoa, Danielson, and Vandevelde too!
Was it? I didn't know!
So riding across a speedbump and winning would make him a great climber too?
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baseballlover312 |
Posted on 23-08-2011 23:44
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valverde321 wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
valverde321 wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
valverde321 wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
kumazan wrote:
gregor wrote:
It needs to be over 10% to be real hard, and exciting.
No it doesn't. But it seldom goes over 5%, so it suits the likes of Leipheimer better than the likes of Henao, imo.
Exactly, any TT favors Leipheimer, and remember, he's a great climber! He fished the TDF 3rd in 07. He's very capable.
I tend to disagree, with him still being a great climber. That was 4 years ago, and what is he now 37, 36? Levi is still a good TTer, but I wouldn't say he's a "great" climber anymore. He's still a decent climber, but he's worsened since then.
Or atleast using a result from 4 years ago, might be a little outdated for this arguement, if you get my point.
And Levi still has a great shot at winning this race, so maybe I'm just wasting my words a bit there.
Whatever you say
My point was that was 4 years ago and he's not as good anymore.
And he isn't a great climber that was a 2.5km climb
Well, it was a 2.5 KM climb for Evans, The Schlecks, Henoa, Danielson, and Vandevelde too!
Was it? I didn't know!
So riding across a speedbump and winning would make him a great climber too?
Stop being a smartass. And by the way, the climb was 5 KM, not 2.5. |
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valverde321 |
Posted on 23-08-2011 23:49
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Stop being a smartass. And by the way, the climb was 5 KM, not 2.5.
You're telling me that, when you're being one in every single one of your posts?
And it was at most 3km. Check the profile again
Edit: Oh shit the profile is in miles it might actually be 5km.
Nope its still only 3.5km
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Posted on 23-08-2011 23:52
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Posted on 23-08-2011 23:54
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After watching the USA race today, I'm not sure that Levi's climbing is really any worse than the other major contenders, what I'm starting to think may be his downfall is recovery. He seems to do well in the week long races, but the GTs (when he doesn't have all sorts of problems) he fades out towards the end. Then again when was the last time we saw him in a problem free GT?
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baseballlover312 |
Posted on 24-08-2011 00:02
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Posted on 24-08-2011 00:06
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Where he came in 3rd if I recall? 31" behind his teammate for the win. That would certainly seem like a very capable showing.
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Posted on 24-08-2011 00:09
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well this race got me ready to go to bed a mean how to pick the boringest route in the world what was with the dead staright road right before the climb were they hoping they could combine the tour of qatar and the tour de france with wind and a climb at least levi showed he still excels when the altiude gets really high |
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valverde321 |
Posted on 24-08-2011 00:24
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Kentaurus wrote:
After watching the USA race today, I'm not sure that Levi's climbing is really any worse than the other major contenders, what I'm starting to think may be his downfall is recovery. He seems to do well in the week long races, but the GTs (when he doesn't have all sorts of problems) he fades out towards the end. Then again when was the last time we saw him in a problem free GT?
It may be that, he does usually do pretty well at these American races, but I personally think its the massively long climbs he also has trouble with. And he can usually make up for the time lost on those climbs with his TT skills.
Also the last time was 2010, where he finished 13th a "good/decent" result (not great).
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Posted on 24-08-2011 00:29
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Tomorrow they go to almost 4000m
unfortunately it's still climbing at 5% max... While the final descent has parts up to over 7%.
Wonder why it wasn't reversed and finish uphill...missed opportunity. Now Leipheimer has the perfect route |
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Posted on 24-08-2011 00:29
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Kentaurus wrote:
After watching the USA race today, I'm not sure that Levi's climbing is really any worse than the other major contenders, what I'm starting to think may be his downfall is recovery. He seems to do well in the week long races, but the GTs (when he doesn't have all sorts of problems) he fades out towards the end. Then again when was the last time we saw him in a problem free GT?
I don't think recovery is one of his weaknesses. In the 2008 Vuelta he was strong all the way through, while in the 2007 Tour he was a lot better in the last week. |
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baseballlover312 |
Posted on 24-08-2011 02:12
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valverde321 wrote:
Kentaurus wrote:
After watching the USA race today, I'm not sure that Levi's climbing is really any worse than the other major contenders, what I'm starting to think may be his downfall is recovery. He seems to do well in the week long races, but the GTs (when he doesn't have all sorts of problems) he fades out towards the end. Then again when was the last time we saw him in a problem free GT?
It may be that, he does usually do pretty well at these American races, but I personally think its the massively long climbs he also has trouble with. And he can usually make up for the time lost on those climbs with his TT skills.
Also the last time was 2010, where he finished 13th a "good/decent" result (not great).
But remember, for th first half of that race, he was working for Armstrong |
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flashchevy14 |
Posted on 24-08-2011 03:11
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some of you guys are underestimating Levi. When has he done bad when he isnt hurt? And he doesnt only do good in American races, he won the Tour de Suisse this year!
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Posted on 24-08-2011 03:36
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It is a shame that Danny Pate's team forced him to slow down so that his team mate could win the prologue. I think he was more than capable of walking away with that one. But he is still sitting in good position after only losing a minute today, its nothing he can't make up in the Vail TT. He probably would have been up there with Levi if he didn't decide to drop back to save himself for tomorrow.
I think tomorrow we will really see some explosiveness from Danny in the high mountain passes. I do agree though, it is a shame that there are no mountain top finishes. Would be awesome to see something up Mount Evans or Pike's Peak... Maybe next year.
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valverde321 |
Posted on 24-08-2011 03:49
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baseballlover312 wrote:
valverde321 wrote:
Kentaurus wrote:
After watching the USA race today, I'm not sure that Levi's climbing is really any worse than the other major contenders, what I'm starting to think may be his downfall is recovery. He seems to do well in the week long races, but the GTs (when he doesn't have all sorts of problems) he fades out towards the end. Then again when was the last time we saw him in a problem free GT?
It may be that, he does usually do pretty well at these American races, but I personally think its the massively long climbs he also has trouble with. And he can usually make up for the time lost on those climbs with his TT skills.
Also the last time was 2010, where he finished 13th a "good/decent" result (not great).
But remember, for th first half of that race, he was working for Armstrong
Yes but didn't he work for Contador in 2007? What about Hesjedal who worked for Vande Velde and even dropped back for him when he crashed and still finished in the Top 10 that year.
Listen, Levi is still very good, because he can climb pretty well, and he is still a great TTer so he's always in contention as long as he doesn't lose too much time on the climbs. But in no, way, shape, or form is he a "great" climber. Thats what I'm trying to say. And also that his climbing legs aren't quite what they used to be. I'm not saying he's shit.
And Flashchevy, I never said he only does good in America I said he usually does well in American races. There's a difference.
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kumazan |
Posted on 24-08-2011 09:51
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ruben wrote:
Tomorrow they go to almost 4000m
unfortunately it's still climbing at 5% max... While the final descent has parts up to over 7%.
Wonder why it wasn't reversed and finish uphill...missed opportunity. Now Leipheimer has the perfect route
No need to finish uphill, but they should have found better climbs, and specially they should have placed them better. I'm sure a mountainous state such as Colorado has harder climbs (Pikes Peak ).
I'll miss the stage anyway, so i hope it's boring.
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Posted on 24-08-2011 14:47
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In the USA, we like our climbs to be long, straight, and very high in the sky. No need for switchbacks. But today there are quite a few on Independence Pass. What amazes me, the highest point on the Tour this year was what??? 8600ft? And they go over 12,100 two times today!
All I can say is OUCH! For the Schlecks coming from, 100ft above sea level. Good job by Frank though yesterday! Excited for the stage.
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baseballlover312 |
Posted on 24-08-2011 17:11
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Posted on 24-08-2011 20:48
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Valverde i never said that you said that. And i agree with Bushwackers i hope they make a better route next year because they overestimated it this year.
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