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BIG NEWS FROM CYANIDE ABOUT THE AI
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| LoStaffan |
Posted on 24-08-2010 19:41
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ok, it might be a little late but i just got some stage result, which is worth to mention too, thought. at least i feel a need for it for the moment 
so here we go:
the situation was like that: as soon as the peloton got to the final 10 kilometres (about), any smart AI riders used to set the pace of the peloton that high, so almost every rider of my team (everyone in a peak form) lost his "sprint energy" before the peloton reached the real sprint zone yet.
now guess, who didn't...?!
-exactly, Tony Martin!
so i asked myself, because of what i wasted my time by trying to build a sprint train for Förster, while i got such a top sprinter into my team like Martin 
and i guess i found the answer, when i took a specific look into the attributes table of every single rider out of those top 15 ... just to search for a single attribute, every of those riders has a kinda high value in.
the result:
at least for race situations like this above, the sprint and the flat attribute seems to have slightly influences, but what really matters in here, might be the resistance atttribute. since those riders are still able to use some sprint effort, while the other guys (some top sprinters included) are done already.
and that is one of the main "sprint problems", meant to get fixed. at least for mass sprints at flat stages... |
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| Macimate |
Posted on 24-08-2010 20:12
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LoStaffan wrote:
ok, it might be a little late but i just got some stage result, which is worth to mention too, thought. at least i feel a need for it for the moment
so here we go:
the situation was like that: as soon as the peloton got to the final 10 kilometres (about), any smart AI riders used to set the pace of the peloton that high, so almost every rider of my team (everyone in a peak form) lost his "sprint energy" before the peloton reached the real sprint zone yet.
now guess, who didn't...?!
-exactly, Tony Martin!
so i asked myself, because of what i wasted my time by trying to build a sprint train for Förster, while i got such a top sprinter into my team like Martin
and i guess i found the answer, when i took a specific look into the attributes table of every single rider out of those top 15 ... just to search for a single attribute, every of those riders has a kinda high value in.
the result:
at least for race situations like this above, the sprint and the flat attribute seems to have slightly influences, but what really matters in here, might be the resistance atttribute. since those riders are still able to use some sprint effort, while the other guys (some top sprinters included) are done already.
and that is one of the main "sprint problems", meant to get fixed. at least for mass sprints at flat stages...
Not really the core of the problem for me playing with the PPDB. Cavendish for example has a Resistance of 83 
I think what happened on the stage you played is that the hills before the finish were enough to tire the sprinters out.
It's hard to find the balance for cyanide, beacuse on a stage like yours sprinters should have no problem going for the win with maximum power, whereas we also want to see bigger gaps on hilly classics like Amstel..
It's a fine balance |
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| bugus |
Posted on 24-08-2010 21:00
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for me it happened exactly as LoStaffan described it |
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| Nickoz12 |
Posted on 24-08-2010 21:49
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HENRICH HAUSSLER MUST DIE
how doews he manage to win the paris roubaix by 4 mins to riders such as cancellaran Flecha, Devolder,Boonen,Hushovd what is that all about euurghh
plus he also won paris-nice he got freaking 5th in the vuelta to riders lik schleck contador and he even beat armstrong
i save all my replays so i have lots to post especially the GC riders placing amazingly in sprints
i almost toar my hair out today stage 2 TDF
1st M.Cavendish
2nd T.Hushovd
3rd T.Boonen
4th F.Schleck
5th G.Steegman
6th. Bonnet
7th. A. Contador
8th A Davis
9th O. Freire
10th L.Leipheimer
and there was no breakaway the GC riders who all have around 60 sprint somehow managed to do so well
its so annoying
North Lancashire Cycling
TOP NOTCH
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| tonyspen |
Posted on 24-08-2010 22:03
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when the pacth gone be ready? this week ? |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 24-08-2010 22:14
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No one knows. |
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| LoStaffan |
Posted on 24-08-2010 22:17
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Macimate wrote:
Not really the core of the problem for me playing with the PPDB. Cavendish for example has a Resistance of 83
Hehe, at my db Cav has "just" a value of "75" for the "resistance" (how it's called in the english manual) ... so it's nothing, which makes my speculation wrong ... since he got only 8th
Macimate wrote:
I think what happened on the stage you played is that the hills before the finish were enough to tire the sprinters out.
hills?
nope, i really think, there was some excellent flat rider at the front of the peloton, who knocked almost everyone out; except those riders with a higher "resistance" value. kinda pity i was to busy to check, who it was...
Macimate wrote:
It's hard to find the balance for cyanide, beacuse on a stage like yours sprinters should have no problem going for the win with maximum power, whereas we also want to see bigger gaps on hilly classics like Amstel..
It's a fine balance
well, you're right. it seems to be a very complex system with a lot of different variables, which have a certain influence on the race result.
but i think, it would already help, when they:
1. do some better finetuning, at which point the flat or hill or mountain attribute matters
2. make the "short-time" attributes (like sprint and acceleration) more independent from the "long-time" attributes (like flat, hill, mountain, resistance and so on) in some way;
wherefor long-time attributes are these, which can make a difference in speed between riders at every single point of a stage and short-time attributes are these, which can make a difference in speed at fixed points just only (the sprint zones) |
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| breezer |
Posted on 26-08-2010 00:37
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Msg deleted by myself
Edited by breezer on 26-08-2010 00:38
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| ruben |
Posted on 27-08-2010 18:23
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Freire (from Cyanide)
Here are some news about the problems :
- 1. gaps problems in hill
We found the problem for hilly races (e.g : amstel, flèche, liège) and a fix.
Results are now far better than before.
However gaps problems have not been reproduced on mountain stages and everything is ok with that.
If you have replays (with an original DB) of high mountain stages where sprinters like Cav or Petacchi are still hanging up the peloton in the last 5 kms feel free to send them !
In all the tests we made there was absolutely no way sprinters could do that, they were always at 20, 30, 40 minutes or even more at the end of the stage and never in the first group on the final climb.
- 2. sprints
The problem have been fixed.
Date ?
A beta version of this update will be ready next Tuesday.
About the stage pack : we were more focused on those problems rather than finishing the stage pack. A date for this pack will be given soon. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 27-08-2010 18:25
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Ah, the always reliable cyanide time estimate "Soon".
Feel free to do a version with the Cyanide logo
Edited by issoisso on 27-08-2010 18:25
The preceding post is ISSO 9001 certified
"I love him, I think he's great. He's transformed the sport in so many ways. Every person in cycling has benefitted from Lance Armstrong, perhaps not financially but in some sense" - Bradley Wiggins on Lance Armstrong
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| geisterhome |
Posted on 27-08-2010 18:42
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not matter if soon or not, those are great news 
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 27-08-2010 19:08
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Finally, Cyanide has buckled down and is going to produce something that's almost close to being somewhat adequate!  |
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| tonyspen |
Posted on 27-08-2010 19:26
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very good news, maybe in one week there will be the new patch and the pack of the variants |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 27-08-2010 19:36
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As I've said a hundred times: Cyanide will not release a pack of variants. |
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| geisterhome |
Posted on 27-08-2010 19:38
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im just kinda afraid they fucked up smthelse now.. maybe unrealistic results of hilly stages in grand tours
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| andybandy |
Posted on 27-08-2010 19:39
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Hope they fix the multiplayer issues as well in that beta patch.
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| BIG CAROLINA |
Posted on 27-08-2010 19:53
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Some guys have no patience. Thank you Cyanide for responding to customer issues.
"Life is too short for a man to hold bitterness in his heart."
Marshall W. "Major" Taylor
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 27-08-2010 20:24
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Im really looking forward to play a hilly classic when the new patch is released. |
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| Roman |
Posted on 27-08-2010 20:27
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I want "real" Flanders or Roubaix too. It's great to see that nothing will change here.
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 27-08-2010 20:28
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Promising news. |
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