Ozzy wrote:
Guys, you're giving some ridiculous ideas here. Especially I loved the "let's make a new game" idea. Okay, let's do it, who's starting??
Let's get back to reality, please...
We just have to make them beleive there's a new game coming out that will rival them. ANd yeah the release date should probably be after, so Cyanide work hard all the way through.
Yeah let's do that, Cyanide will never know!! I know Cyanide is acting stupid, but they are not THAT blind! lol
It was mostly for shits and giggles, but I did think of it as a better option than making a completely new game 'ourselves'.
Ozzy wrote:
Guys, you're giving some ridiculous ideas here. Especially I loved the "let's make a new game" idea. Okay, let's do it, who's starting??
Let's get back to reality, please...
We just have to make them beleive there's a new game coming out that will rival them. ANd yeah the release date should probably be after, so Cyanide work hard all the way through.
Yeah let's do that, Cyanide will never know!! I know Cyanide is acting stupid, but they are not THAT blind! lol
It was mostly for shits and giggles, but I did think of it as a better option than making a completely new game 'ourselves'.
Yes, of course a new game built by the community is something that only works good in our imagination, but in reality it's nearly impossible. But still, if Cyanide continues this way, we could put the frustration, which the new games would bring with them, into something, where our ideas and feedback actually get recognized and not ignored!
Maybe Cyanide will change after all, but i don't see that coming.
then we need to gather all our names in a complete list
i would suggest to add our country after the name.
Then spam it massively on the cya-forum, so they cannot get rid of it easily.
Nice job titleist82! This is the best idea so far: polite, litterate and mature. This one 's got my vote. (Although I would even have signed with 'cordialement'.
Childish, offensive and agressive reactions are much easier to ignore.
To the staff and management of Cyanide and Focus Interactive.
Dear Sir,
We are a large group of customers from different countries and different online communities, many of us have bought many, if not all versions of your game Pro Cycling Manager.
We are writing to complain about the state in which the 2010 edition of the game has been realeased.
Beyond the usual problems that historically plague the games of the series, this 2010 edition has too many serious shortcomings in terms of gameplay and artificial intelligence.
In particular, we refer to problems in the plains stages, where teams managed by the computer does nothing to organize trains for their sprinters and flat stages are often won by riders like Contador and Schleck.
In the Ardennes classics, hilly stages and mountain stages attacks from the best riders does not have any effect and it almost always means that groups of more than 100 cyclists arrive at the finish compact.
All this is absolutely not realistic, and as it is a sports simulation game is the least we expect that the outcome of the game is realistic.
But the worst is that after paying for a totally unsatisfactory game, not only our issues are ignored, but are systematically removed from your forum.
This is not the proper way to behave towards your customers.
With this, we give you our profound outrage and promise not to buy your products in the future.
Obviously we will work to ensure that the poor quality of your products and especially the arrogance and lack of professionalism of your behavior is known to as many people as possible.
(Not too) cordially
feel free to make any correction or to use it on the cya-forum
i'm looking for an efficient way to collect our names...
In particular, we refer to problems in the plains stages, where teams managed by the computer does nothing to organize trains for their sprinters and flat stages are often won by riders like Contador and Schleck.
In the Ardennes classics, hilly stages and mountain stages attacks from the best riders does not have any effect and it almost always means that groups of more than 100 cyclists arrive at the finish compact.
All this is absolutely not realistic, and as it is a sports simulation game is the least we expect that the outcome of the game is realistic.
But the worst is that after paying for a totally unsatisfactory game, not only our issues are ignored, but are systematically removed from your forum.
Change to
In particular, we refer to problems in the flat stages, where teams managed by the computer do nothing to organize trains for their sprinters and so flat stages are often won by riders like Contador and Schleck.
In the Ardennes classics, hilly stages and mountain stages, attacks from the best riders does not have any effect and it almost always means that groups of more than 100 cyclists arrive at the finish together.
All of this is not at all realistic, and as it is a sports simulation game, the least we expect that the outcome of the game is realistic.
But worst of all is that after paying for a totally unsatisfactory game, not only are our issues ignored, but are systematically removed from your forum through the deletion of topics and users.
Made a few changes to the English - but Id suggest if you want to do a petition, reference a fact that the AI worked better (in hills and mountains at least) in previous versions
I think we shouldn't go for quantity of names signing it.
It should be more like:
On behalf of PCM Spain community:
* Mr X
* Mr Y
* Mr Z
On behalf of NCL:
* Mr A
* Mr B
List of 50 names representing 20 communities with Ruben, Plakker, Talleyrand, Dankan, CrueTrue... will look much more serious than 300 unknown (to Cyanide) players.
Etc. Just my opinion though. And really, get a good english translation before doin anything Edited by Ozzy on 18-08-2010 16:02
This might be better: https://www.ipetit...cmboycott/
People can maybe write where they are from in the comments? =)
Edited by pepsy11 on 18-08-2010 16:08
Ozzy wrote:
I think we shouldn't go for quantity of names signing it.
It should be more like:
On behalf of PCM Spain community:
* Mr X
* Mr Y
* Mr Z
On behalf of NCL:
* Mr A
* Mr B
List of 50 names representing 20 communities with Ruben, Plakker, Talleyrand, Dankan, CrueTrue... will look much more serious than 300 unknown (to Cyanide) players.
Etc. Just my opinion though. And really, get a good english translation before doin anything
totally agree.
i've added a phrase metioning the account deletion
I dont mean to be rude, but many of you people here are just a bunch of idiots who apperantly don't think further then your own noses. Talking about making your own game... and to you who came up with the idea of simply releasing PCM 09 under a new name; good luck, tells of how you feel after you've been (metaphoricly) raped by a gang of lawyers.
Cyanide is a small and unimportant company within the business world. They dont have the funds that Sports Interactiv, EA etc. have. This means that they can't hire all the staff they might need to make the game in time for the TdF each year. However, that is no excuse for not listening to their customers.
This is a very usefull thread, but unfortunately it is being infested with narrowminded kids who doesn't seem to understand how the world works. This might sound like alot of criticism, but it is not ment that way.
Back to your plans; as mentioned earlier, everyone who thinks about making their own game or simply stealing an existing one... be quiet. Also, trying to "trick" Cyanide into thinking there's a rival copmpany is not going to work either. Companies who deal within a small market knows very well whats going on around them. In the second they find your little webpage it'll take them no more a few minutes to find out that you are just trying to fabricate something. And besides, how would you make your webpage known? Advertising? That stuff costs money you know.
Writing a well formulated letter is actually not a bad plan, but send it as an actual letter, don't post it on a website. And beating down the doors arn't going to work either. It doesn't matter how nice your letter is, if you post it hundreds of times then it will just be deleted. This is a profesional company who knows what they are doing and do you really think they are going to be intimidated by you guys when you act like narrow minded kids? Hardly.
What I'm trying to say is be reasonable. You're dealing with something much greater than yourself. Who do you think will come out on top? A bunch of angry kids or the executives of a relativly succesfull company? Take your time and work out a plan.
cactus-jack wrote:
Cyanide is a small and unimportant company within the business world. They dont have the funds that Sports Interactiv, EA etc. have. This means that they can't hire all the staff they might need to make the game in time for the TdF each year. However, that is no excuse for not listening to their customers.
I think most everyone realizes that Cyanide is somewhat limited by resources and demand for their product. I also believe people are more than willing to accept that PCM will likely never be a perfect product given these limitations.
But for me, the line is crossed when the interaction between the community and the company is shut down. The community is more than willing to work with Cyanide to help improve PCM10, but have been turned away. This is why people are so upset.
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