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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 13-06-2016 20:10
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are we really having this chat again?
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 13-06-2016 22:48
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yeaah..
We have been tricked by troll once again.
It always works:
Doping..Froome...Sky..Armstrong.. and we are ready to go! |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 13-06-2016 23:01
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Armstrong DID win the TdF 7 times. He is not the WINNER of these races but still he did WIN all of them.
If you think this sounds stupid, then blame UCI because they supported doping until they could not hide it any longer. |
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| Shonak |
Posted on 14-06-2016 00:12
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Watched the Contador attacks finally on last stage and loved this scene where Contador attacked and the SKY doms were following him like a little Froomes on a school trip 
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| Strydz |
Posted on 14-06-2016 05:11
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Nothing wrong with having the conversation, the reason it keeps coming up (outside of any troll activity  ) is that riders and teams keep doping. Once they stop I'll stop
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 14-06-2016 08:08
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Strydz wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
Armstrong was on drugs. But so was every single one of his competitors. Everyone was cheating and he was the best of them. 
Christophe Bassons competed against Armstrong and he was clean, he stood up and said NO and did it publicly. So if everyone was cheating and Armstrong was the best of them then where does Bassons fit into your calculations?
Christophe who? He should have used drugs then maybe I would have heard of him
He was nowhere in my calculations. Just like he was in every single race he ever rode in according to his palmares
Disclaimer - This post is obviously a joke
Edited by ringo182 on 14-06-2016 08:21
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 14-06-2016 08:09
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Shonak wrote:
Watched the Contador attacks finally on last stage and loved this scene where Contador attacked and the SKY doms were following him like a little Froomes on a school trip
I especially liked it when Contador blew up again and lost another handful of seconds to Froome.
He attacked several times and never got more then 10 bike lengths in front. If that's the best a dope free Contador can do then I don't think Froome Dog has got anything to worry about at the Tour.
Edited by ringo182 on 14-06-2016 08:18
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| Strydz |
Posted on 14-06-2016 08:59
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ringo182 wrote:
Strydz wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
Armstrong was on drugs. But so was every single one of his competitors. Everyone was cheating and he was the best of them.
Christophe Bassons competed against Armstrong and he was clean, he stood up and said NO and did it publicly. So if everyone was cheating and Armstrong was the best of them then where does Bassons fit into your calculations?
Christophe who? He should have used drugs then maybe I would have heard of him
He was nowhere in my calculations. Just like he was in every single race he ever rode in according to his palmares
Disclaimer - This post is obviously a joke
I didn't need the disclaimer
Hells 500 Crew and 6 x Everester
Don Rd Launching Place
Melbourne Hill Rd Warrandyte
Colby Drive Belgrave South
William Rd The Patch
David Hill Rd Monbulk
Lakeside Drive Emerald
https://www.everesting.cc/hall-of-fame/ |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 14-06-2016 09:08
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Strydz wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
Strydz wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
Armstrong was on drugs. But so was every single one of his competitors. Everyone was cheating and he was the best of them.
Christophe Bassons competed against Armstrong and he was clean, he stood up and said NO and did it publicly. So if everyone was cheating and Armstrong was the best of them then where does Bassons fit into your calculations?
Christophe who? He should have used drugs then maybe I would have heard of him
He was nowhere in my calculations. Just like he was in every single race he ever rode in according to his palmares
Disclaimer - This post is obviously a joke
I didn't need the disclaimer
You can never be too careful on this site |
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| Shonak |
Posted on 14-06-2016 09:12
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ringo182 wrote:
Shonak wrote:
Watched the Contador attacks finally on last stage and loved this scene where Contador attacked and the SKY doms were following him like a little Froomes on a school trip
I especially liked it when Contador blew up again and lost another handful of seconds to Froome.
What are you talking about? Because it surely isn't stage 7, what I'm referring to. He has looked very good that stage.
He attacked several times and never got more then 10 bike lengths in front. If that's the best a dope free Contador can do then I don't think Froome Dog has got anything to worry about at the Tour.
We'll see about that. At least riders such as Bardet respect the effort that Contador puts in to try to win, saying that Contador inspires him (a quote worthy of my signature).
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 14-06-2016 09:29
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Shonak wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
Shonak wrote:
Watched the Contador attacks finally on last stage and loved this scene where Contador attacked and the SKY doms were following him like a little Froomes on a school trip
I especially liked it when Contador blew up again and lost another handful of seconds to Froome.
What are you talking about? Because it surely isn't stage 7, what I'm referring to. He has looked very good that stage.
He attacked several times and never got more then 10 bike lengths in front. If that's the best a dope free Contador can do then I don't think Froome Dog has got anything to worry about at the Tour.
We'll see about that. At least riders such as Bardet respect the effort that Contador puts in to try to win, saying that Contador inspires him (a quote worthy of my signature).
Yes, he attacks which is good and should be respected for trying.
But does a proven doper who attacks and looses deserve to be respected more then someone who has a clean record and wins the races Contador attacks in.
It seems like backwards logic to me. |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 14-06-2016 09:45
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Shonak wrote:
We'll see about that. At least riders such as Bardet respect the effort that Contador puts in to try to win, saying that Contador inspires him (a quote worthy of my signature).
Maybe he can introduce Bardet to his butcher
Hells 500 Crew and 6 x Everester
Don Rd Launching Place
Melbourne Hill Rd Warrandyte
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William Rd The Patch
David Hill Rd Monbulk
Lakeside Drive Emerald
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 14-06-2016 09:47
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The everyone doped, level playing field fallacy seems to have come up again. I'll turn to someone far more eloquent then I to point out the many flaws in this argument:
https://inrng.com/...ping-myth/
The most pertinent extract for me being (but there are more if you read the full piece):
"Next there is an asymmetric response. Having said there’s no single dosage, there’s certainly no single outcome. Our bodies are different in so many ways this is what makes sport, someone with big lungs gets an advantage in aerobic sports like cycling. But the diversity extends to our response to pharmaceuticals. It’s documented in medical journals and clinical trials but read cycling biographies too. Some riders find some banned substances work for them and yet others don’t. For example Tyler Hamilton says he never used much growth hormone but other riders have consumed extensive amounts of this, something testified by their oversized jawbones and jumbo forehead ridges. You see this well beyond rugby, see baseball or rugby. Similarly cyclists with a naturally high haematocrit count of red blood cells can’t consume much EPO before their blood data rings alarm bells whilst those with lower levels can take more."
Also Dauphine, great race! |
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| Valueowned |
Posted on 14-06-2016 13:02
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The Schleck Fan wrote:
Shonak wrote:
I love how people still have learned nothing after all those years when it comes to Grand Tours and settle for the winner before a race even starts. It looks like what I said in Sunday is true.Froome is closer to peak than Contador.Contador should be fine in July(Or at least I hope)
Are you so sure about that or all the thoughts that help to convince himself in the desirable result are good? |
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 14-06-2016 13:06
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Valueowned wrote:
The Schleck Fan wrote:
Shonak wrote:
I love how people still have learned nothing after all those years when it comes to Grand Tours and settle for the winner before a race even starts. It looks like what I said in Sunday is true.Froome is closer to peak than Contador.Contador should be fine in July(Or at least I hope)
Are you so sure about that or all the thoughts that help to convince himself in the desirable result are good? I think Contador will be fine in July after watching the last stage. |
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 15-06-2016 21:50
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Strydz wrote:
Nothing wrong with having the conversation, the reason it keeps coming up (outside of any troll activity ) is that riders and teams keep doping. Once they stop I'll stop
but it's not even recent, why bother waisting space on beating a dead horse
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