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It wasn't a "real" Milan-San Remo race, but the final was really epic. That moment, when Stannard and Chavanel were in the front and Iglinskiy tried to make the jump to them. That was cycling at its best; i really didn't know who would win.
Since Chavanel and Stannard had 30 sec plus, i thought they could make it.
Sagan was probably the strongest, he would have deserved the win, but Ciolek did what he had to do. He's not as strong as Sagan, so he had to save as much energy as possible.
i dont get how you folks can say this wasnt a real "san remo"! first of all it was still 240kms, not under 200 like some have said. second, the route was more like the original san remo than any of the past editions with the extra climbs. in fact what was almost always a race for the punchy sprinters is becoming another amstel gold race with the addition of those climbs. like we saw last year, its the smartest rider that wins this race, not the toughest.
oh and just fyi to the guys calling ciolek a "wheel sucker"....drafting is part of racing and not considered dishonorable unless a rider continually opts out of turns in a break. in a fast finish like we saw on sunday, sucking a wheel is just strategy 101. guys who dont race see this as cheap but trust me its just called being smart. cancellara whines about it so much because he cant sprint and so feels stupid carrying sprinters to race finishes but its his problem to work out.
Edited by CosmicOsmo on 18-03-2013 20:54
top 10 of all time in no particular order, not including the cannibal cause hes automatically #1:
-Gemininani -Nencini -Anquetil -Coppi
-Kelly -Hinault -Zabel -Bettini -Rebellin -Magni
..and honorable mention to Tom Simpson whos career was cut short.
Top 5 noobs most likely to tear it up this season:
-Phinney -Moser -TJ -Guardini -DURBO!
CosmicOsmo wrote:
i dont get how you folks can say this wasnt a real "san remo"! first of all it was still 240kms, not under 200 like some have said. second, the route was more like the original san remo than any of the past editions with the extra climbs. in fact what was almost always a race for the punchy sprinters is becoming another amstel gold race with the addition of those climbs. like we saw last year, its the smartest rider that wins this race, not the toughest.
oh and just fyi to the guys calling ciolek a "wheel sucker"....drafting is part of racing and not considered dishonorable unless a rider continually opts out of turns in a break. in a fast finish like we saw on sunday, sucking a wheel is just strategy 101. guys who dont race see this as cheap but trust me its just called being smart. cancellara whines about it so much because he cant sprint and so feels stupid carrying sprinters to race finishes but its his problem to work out.
Well 60 kms missing and two toughest climbs avoided, that is hardly proper San-Remo. Also riders had a nice cofee break, which should not be part of toughest race on the calendar
Who knows, maybe Ciolek would be dead on the longer route?
But it does not matter, he is a deserved winner, although there will be slight "but" in the minds of cycling fans maybe.
I agree with Kumazan here, the race should have been cancelled, but it was great finale anyway. The organisation was horrible, they should do something day before the race, it is not like we are in medieval times, where weather forecast was done by court wizards.
Am I the only one who thinks that the race organizers did at least alright?
There was fucking snow on the god damn climb and decent. SNOW! Now, because I live in a place where it never snows, I'm probably a little more surprised than most, but damn! SNOW! I wouldn't be racing through that shit...
So they started that race. Cool. Maybe that pesky snow will go away. Maybe it won't be bad enough by the time the riders get there...
...Damn, that pesky snow is still there. We've put it off a long time.... That's alright. We'll just re-route the race. What's that? We can't really get to San Remo without going through the snow, or by taking a huge de-tour? Alright, let's just shorten the race. After all, we can't cancel a monument. There would be an out roar! So, we make it slightly shorter. The race is still run, and people can still enjoy it.
Looks like the race organizers were wrong. But if they cancelled it, they would have been wrong. Everyone would be pissed that race was cancelled. I don't care that much that the race was shortened. It was still run, in some horrible conditions. And has someone who has done 240km, there is no difference between 200km and 240km. After that, you feel the same anyway (this might be different for professionals, I don't know).
I still enjoyed the finish, and it was still an exciting race. If anything, the snow made it more exciting!
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ReimToast wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks that the race organizers did at least alright?
There was fucking snow on the god damn climb and decent. SNOW! Now, because I live in a place where it never snows, I'm probably a little more surprised than most, but damn! SNOW! I wouldn't be racing through that shit...
So they started that race. Cool. Maybe that pesky snow will go away. Maybe it won't be bad enough by the time the riders get there...
...Damn, that pesky snow is still there. We've put it off a long time.... That's alright. We'll just re-route the race. What's that? We can't really get to San Remo without going through the snow, or by taking a huge de-tour? Alright, let's just shorten the race. After all, we can't cancel a monument. There would be an out roar! So, we make it slightly shorter. The race is still run, and people can still enjoy it.
Looks like the race organizers were wrong. But if they cancelled it, they would have been wrong. Everyone would be pissed that race was cancelled. I don't care that much that the race was shortened. It was still run, in some horrible conditions. And has someone who has done 240km, there is no difference between 200km and 240km. After that, you feel the same anyway (this might be different for professionals, I don't know).
I still enjoyed the finish, and it was still an exciting race. If anything, the snow made it more exciting!
240 mostly flat kilometers and 300kms with Turchino and Manie is very,very different,even more in terrible conditions.
But for example Sagan says nothing about these decisions, it seems he is fine with it, he was only pissed on weather. He says he wanted to attack on the start of finishing straight, but Cancellara was keen to bring him back immediately and then Peter started too early according to his words, looking for Chavanel and Cance as biggest opponents.
But he is glad that he is in good form and is looking forward to belgian classics.
I agree with the CosmicOsmo. While it's obvious ~300km is not the same thing as 240km, it really bothers me people are contesting the toughness of the race. Everyone seems to forget this is the classic of the sprinters, not an Ardenne's classic! But I'm sure Il Poggio, La Cipressa and the rest of the (raced) Capi are not enough climbs to sort out a select group of riders. That mass bunch sprint sure was boring.
Also people were quitting because of the weather conditions, not because of fatigue or injuries, but because of the fucking cold! Makes me wonder why they call this one La Primavera
And the 2 starts of the race don't necessarily make it an easier race for everyone. I'm pretty sure that, in a race where endurance has such an impact as this one, a break which makes you stop and restart, doesn't work as a benefit for all the riders.
Gustavovskiy wrote:
I agree with the CosmicOsmo. While it's obvious ~300km is not the same thing as 240km, it really bothers me people are contesting the toughness of the race.
Nobody did that. I said it was not a proper Milano - Sanremo and I keep thinking that for very obvious reasons. But was it hard? Sure.
Gustavovskiy wrote: Everyone seems to forget this is the classic of the sprinters, not an Ardenne's classic! But I'm sure Il Poggio, La Cipressa and the rest of the (raced) Capi are not enough climbs to sort out a select group of riders. That mass bunch sprint sure was boring.
It is not. That's a pretty recent phenomenon partly fueled up by EPO.
kumazan wrote:
Nobody did that. I said it was not a proper Milano - Sanremo and I keep thinking that for very obvious reasons. But was it hard? Sure.
I wasn't addressing your opinion in particular, but there are a few posts saying things like "this wasn't a real MSR" or something alike.
kumazan wrote:
Gustavovskiy wrote: Everyone seems to forget this is the classic of the sprinters, not an Ardenne's classic! But I'm sure Il Poggio, La Cipressa and the rest of the (raced) Capi are not enough climbs to sort out a select group of riders. That mass bunch sprint sure was boring.
It is not. That's a pretty recent phenomenon partly fueled up by EPO.
It is (present simple ), I'm not ignoring the youth of the specialization phenomenon in cycling.
Gustavovskiy wrote:
I wasn't addressing your opinion in particular, but there are a few posts saying things like "this wasn't a real MSR" or something alike.
And it wasn't. MSR is characterized by one thing above all, its length. When you dramatically cut down its length, it becomes a radically different race, however tough it could have been due to the weather.
Gustavovskiy wrote:
It is (present simple ), I'm not ignoring the youth of the specialization phenomenon in cycling.
It's a classic that can be won by sprinters, rather than a sprinters classic, as shown by the fact that only a few pure sprinters have won it since Pettachi's win.
The difficulty of a race isn't related to its length (in terms of km) so to speak.
It has more to do with the energy that is spent to finish it, which means the kind of efforts and their length, and the energy spent to fight the weather when it's as extreme as last Sunday. You can also add mental commitment to define the toughness of a race ("if the race or peloton is nervous it's more exhausting").
So, regarding Sunday's race :
- Reduced length in the middle = less efforts at low intensity
- Cutting Le Manie off = less efforts at high intensity (sub threshold or threshold)
- Break in the middle of the race = more recuperation and refill possibilities
All those have made it a MSR much easier than usual
Terrible weather :
- much more exhausting (and I'm not even addressing the extra-clothing problem)
- much more stressful because of the slippery roads
All in all, I'd say it's quite balanced in terms of race difficulty, but those parameters have favoured or harmed riders differently than the normal route and a Spring weather would have done.
Edited by Aquarius on 19-03-2013 21:56
Aquarius wrote:
All in all, I'd say it's quite balanced in terms of race difficulty, but those parameters have favoured or harmed riders differently than the normal route and a Spring weather would have done.
I wouldn't be racing through that shit...
