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EPIC - Offseason RENEWALS and DRAFT
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 23-12-2014 18:32
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jaxika wrote:
Ollfardh (one more time) As a top team from earlier season its normal to struggle to keep the same riders, not even talk about adjust the roster (more fame, more sponsors, more opportunities, etc.) ? 
No, it's about balancing. I want to make the stronger teams weaker and the smaller teams stronger.
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 23-12-2014 18:32
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its ridiculous...Tony Martin = 20x Kelderman...no way
small teams can not only easily keep theor whole team, but most of them have also plenty of money left for signings...thats totally unbalanced
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| jaxika |
Posted on 23-12-2014 18:33
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Paul23 wrote:
its ridiculous...Tony Martin = 20x Kelderman...no way
small teams can not only easily keep theor whole team, but most of them have also plenty of money left for signings...thats totally unbalanced
This.
Edited by jaxika on 23-12-2014 18:36
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 23-12-2014 18:35
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Paul23 wrote:
its ridiculous...Tony Martin = 20x Kelderman...no way
small teams can not only easily keep theor whole team, but most of them have also plenty of money left for signings...thats totally unbalanced
I think you don't understand the rules. Martin is 104000 by my count? 80000 x 1,3?
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| jaxika |
Posted on 23-12-2014 18:39
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Ollfardh wrote:
Paul23 wrote:
its ridiculous...Tony Martin = 20x Kelderman...no way
small teams can not only easily keep theor whole team, but most of them have also plenty of money left for signings...thats totally unbalanced
I think you don't understand the rules. Martin is 104000 by my count? 80000 x 1,3?
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 23-12-2014 18:42
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jaxika wrote:
Ollfardh wrote:
Paul23 wrote:
its ridiculous...Tony Martin = 20x Kelderman...no way
small teams can not only easily keep theor whole team, but most of them have also plenty of money left for signings...thats totally unbalanced
I think you don't understand the rules. Martin is 104000 by my count? 80000 x 1,3?
Only 10x Kelderman
Well, Martin is a pretty solid pick when it comes to winning TTs. Wins get you a lot of points and he'll accomplish a few goals along the way. The difference is bigger then it should be though, but I never said this system was perfect 
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| knockout |
Posted on 23-12-2014 18:43
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I agree that the difference between the superstars and the stars is a bit too much (while the difference between a Intxausti and a del Pino is non existent) but then those who finished high enough in the ranking (because they have those superstars) have a much higher wage so that equals it out.
Actually, i think this is a good balance!
(I seem to be the only one with more than one superstar who thinks this way)
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 23-12-2014 18:44
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Potentially useful thoughts on the renewals system. Not every fact or idea is 110% tested. Not every thought or comment is supportive. Some content below might be abrasive and non-supportive. Bewarned, if you are a w*nker then don't open the spoiler.
This is a serous post
Spoiler I have to agree i find the renewals oddly unbalanced. Even after my ludicrously poor season as worst WT team i had very few problems renewing my best riders (yes i cut over 50% of the squad but i was worst WT team). Sell off one of them and i'm easily in the black money wise.
Underperform through sheer bad luck of lack of mnager like OPQS and that team is f*cked from the start. I feel sorry for Paul who had no input on the teams performance.
Sky i have less sympathy for. That team is insanely good and in any system will cost a lot of money. I hvn't tried to do all the numbers but i certainly know 7-8 riders i would cut straigt up to get under budget.
The big problem comes in limited teams to 3 FA signings. If you cut more than 3 to get under budget you are in trouble. Already you are clearly short on money and now you have little to no budget to pay a transfer for a replacement. Here comes a Man-Game comparision, sorry, but that system is excellent. You will always get enough mony to renew all your riders and then transfer budget ontop.
Not saying every team should be able to renew all the riders but it should not be damaging. Having to cut a Superstar or Star rider is acceptable. Having to WAIT a rider and cut 5-6 more is a problem in the system. Hvn't done the numbers and it might just be those teams that either are stupidly powerful (a la Sky) or really underperformed (a la OPQS) who are suffering.
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 23-12-2014 18:49
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Do we have to say the excluded stats(downhill and fighter)as well?
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 23-12-2014 18:52
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Yes, I realise OPQS is suffering because of their lack of manager, and I feel sorry for Paul he's left with it now. I do think OPQS should get a cut in their cobble department though, Boonen, Terpstra, Stybar, Chavanel, Van den Bergh and good support is just too much. I haven't fully calculated it, but I feel they can keep Martin, Cavendish and Kwiat if they cut in their cobble department, which is too strong imo.
The reason why superstars are so expensive, is because they're worth it. The point system in EPIC is very rewarding to winners, which they are. Combine that with who completes most goals and you have to accept superstars are worth their price.
I agree with TMM's suggestion about FAs though, I'll incease it to 5 riders (and you can also but riders from other teams of course).
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| Shonak |
Posted on 23-12-2014 18:57
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Surely people want to keep all their top riders but for the longevity of EPIC, it's important to balance the squad. As seen in the Rankings, SKY in its 2013 outfit is just way too strong, whilst QPS suffers for a bit of their disappointing season (in terms of rankings, compared to their very expensive lineup)
Edited by Shonak on 23-12-2014 18:59
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| jaxika |
Posted on 23-12-2014 18:59
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Shonak wrote:
Surely people want to keep all their top riders but for the longevity of EPIC, it's important to balance the squad. As seen in the Rankings, SKY in its 2013 outfit is just way too strong, whilst QPS suffers for a bit of a shit season (in terms of rankings)
The team its not tthat strong like the rankings say, it needed the wise tactics and race choices (aand im shy btw) |
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 23-12-2014 19:09
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why is Tony just 104k?
but still, i have no problem with balancing, so that strong teams get weaker and weak teams stronger.
The big problem is that i only will be able to keep kwiat, cav and tony. i cant keep riders i wanted to sell, so i wont get money from them. Means i will end up with tony, kwiat and cav and 5-6 guys on a CT level.
i was worried about the renewals a few weeks ago, and someone told me, that it will be possible for me, to keep almost my full squad(iirc)
so i am quite disappointed now.
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| brewers90 |
Posted on 23-12-2014 19:16
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jaxika wrote:
The team its not tthat strong like the rankings say, it needed the wise tactics and race choices (aand im shy btw)
Funniest thing I've read in a long time.
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| Shonak |
Posted on 23-12-2014 19:16
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I guess when I have some money left, I can use it to pay transfers?
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 23-12-2014 19:22
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Paul - yeah, as I said I do feel bad for you, but I do think you can sell a few of your cobblers to create budget? Calculate it first to see how bad it is for you and then we'll take a look at it. As I said before, if too many people run out of budget, I'll add more money in the transfer window.
Shonak - tranfers and FA signing, yes
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 23-12-2014 19:26
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Ollfardh wrote:
Paul - yeah, as I said I do feel bad for you, but I do think you can sell a few of your cobblers to create budget? Calculate it first to see how bad it is for you and then we'll take a look at it. As I said before, if too many people run out of budget, I'll add more money in the transfer window.
Shonak - tranfers and FA signing, yes
Do we have to say the excluded stats(downhill and fighter)as well?
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 23-12-2014 19:27
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The Schleck Fan wrote:
Ollfardh wrote:
Paul - yeah, as I said I do feel bad for you, but I do think you can sell a few of your cobblers to create budget? Calculate it first to see how bad it is for you and then we'll take a look at it. As I said before, if too many people run out of budget, I'll add more money in the transfer window.
Shonak - tranfers and FA signing, yes
Do we have to say the excluded stats(downhill and fighter)as well?
No, that's not needed
No idea why you're quoting me btw 
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| knockout |
Posted on 23-12-2014 19:28
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Two questions:
1) FA bidding: How does it work?
2) If people put some riders on the WAIT list: How long will they stay there? / When can another manager place FA bids on them?
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 23-12-2014 19:29
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jaxika wrote:
Shonak wrote:
Surely people want to keep all their top riders but for the longevity of EPIC, it's important to balance the squad. As seen in the Rankings, SKY in its 2013 outfit is just way too strong, whilst QPS suffers for a bit of a shit season (in terms of rankings)
The team its not tthat strong like the rankings say, it needed the wise tactics and race choices (aand im shy btw)
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Gracias Alberto.
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