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| CountArach |
Posted on 28-07-2013 16:50
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kumazan wrote:
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Does this mean the end of the Continental Euskadi team as well? Presuming so, but since it would be nice to see a Basque team somewhere in the three tiers, I hope not personally.
No, they are a different and totally unrelated team, and as far as I know they're continuing. In fact, I'd heard a rumour about them getting more funds for next year, but nothing official, so I wouldn't really put much weight on that.
I imagine that, assuming the Euskaltel team folds, then all the money donated via the Euskadi foundation will go towards the Orbea team and youth/amateur riding. Possibly also things like San Sebastien and other struggling races.
Just a guess though.
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Posted on 28-07-2013 16:59
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CountArach wrote:
kumazan wrote:
Malkael wrote:
Does this mean the end of the Continental Euskadi team as well? Presuming so, but since it would be nice to see a Basque team somewhere in the three tiers, I hope not personally.
No, they are a different and totally unrelated team, and as far as I know they're continuing. In fact, I'd heard a rumour about them getting more funds for next year, but nothing official, so I wouldn't really put much weight on that.
I imagine that, assuming the Euskaltel team folds, then all the money donated via the Euskadi foundation will go towards the Orbea team and youth/amateur riding. Possibly also things like San Sebastien and other struggling races.
Just a guess though.
The Euskadi foundation isn't related to the Euskaltel-Euskadi ProTeam anymore, but to the Euskadi CT team (which was formed from the structure of the former Orbea team).
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| Malkael |
Posted on 28-07-2013 17:05
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Why the heck do Euskaltel-Euskadi even mention Euskadi this year? Until someone messed up my mind with conflicting information, I thought they pulled out and setup the Euskadi continental team with the money they withdrew from the Euskaltel team.
Or at least that was what I had heard and believed to be somewhere near the truth. The Euskadi team seem to have some decent Basque riders coming through, so who knows what they might achieve in time.
After becoming largely uncompetitive within the World Tour, starting afresh might be just what they needed to reach the (arguably) more suitable Pro Continental level. Rather then not losing their WT status due to Euskaltel's goals and inability to accept they might not have the budget and talent for the World Tour.
Though I find it hilarious if it is true that Movistar generate less income as a company than Euskaltel yet manage to outfund Euskaltel in cycling. Maybe if you would stop losing the good Basque riders to Movistar, like Intxausti with his Top 10 in the Giro this year. Or maybe is it mismanagement, cause heck even Txurruka has had a decent season... 
Edited by Malkael on 28-07-2013 17:08
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| kumazan |
Posted on 28-07-2013 17:15
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Malkael wrote:
Why the heck do Euskaltel-Euskadi even mention Euskadi this year? Until someone messed up my mind with conflicting information, I thought they pulled out and setup the Euskadi continental team with the money they withdrew from the Euskaltel team.
Or at least that was what I had heard and believed to be somewhere near the truth. The Euskadi team seem to have some decent Basque riders coming through, so who knows what they might achieve in time.
They mention Euskadi because the Basque government is partly funding the team. Yep, public funds in professional sport, blergh.
Malkael wrote:
After becoming largely uncompetitive within the World Tour, starting afresh might be just what they needed to reach the (arguably) more suitable Pro Continental level. Rather then not losing their WT status due to Euskaltel's goals and inability to accept they might not have the budget and talent for the World Tour.
Agreed.
Malkael wrote:
Though I find it hilarious if it is true that Movistar generate less income as a company than Euskaltel yet manage to outfund Euskaltel in cycling. Maybe if you would stop losing the good Basque riders to Movistar, like Intxausti with his Top 10 in the Giro this year. Or maybe is it mismanagement, cause heck even Txurruka has had a decent season...
What? Movistar is massively bigger than Euskaltel. I don't think Euskaltel's profit is above 0.5-1% of that of Movistar.
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Posted on 28-07-2013 17:32
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Kind of surprising, even if there are still quite a few Basques involved. Obviously not quite as principled, or hardlined, as the Euskadi Foundation. The sponsorship dollars might not quite be there to support a World Tour team, but massive credit to the Euskadi Foundation and Basques for raising and contributing as much money as they do to cycling.
Totally going to blame my Spanish on that last point. Or the news article I was reading, the first time this news came up, organised them the wrong way round in terms of customer base and income sizes.
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| MrUfo87 |
Posted on 28-07-2013 19:35
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Zabel confesss that he has used doping his whole carreer.
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 28-07-2013 19:37
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MrUfo87 wrote:
Zabel confesss that he has used doping his whole carreer.
Source?
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| miggi133 |
Posted on 28-07-2013 19:38
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admirschleck wrote:
MrUfo87 wrote:
Zabel confesss that he has used doping his whole carreer.
Source?
ARD and ZDF brought it on the news... That should be serious enough and a valid source...
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 28-07-2013 19:39
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MrUfo87 wrote:
Zabel confesss that he has used doping his whole carreer.
Not really. He says he stopped after 2003, which obviously is a load of bullcrap. Surely a coincidence that he claims to have stopped at the exact year before the statute of limitations would allow the UCI to remove his results...
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Source?
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/zabel...96-to-2003
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 28-07-2013 19:44
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What a hypocrite.
4 more years or so and he'll be able to fully confess.
Also, it sounds weird to me that he only started EPO in 1996. I don't have too many memories of cycling before that (besides Tour de France), but I find it hard that he won two TDF stages and one Paris-Tours (and other races) before that, just on water and bread. |
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Posted on 28-07-2013 20:11
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He actually tested positive for Clostebol in 1994. Got a fine and lost 50 WT-points.
Source: Mads Kaggestads twitter!
Edited by Andreas93 on 28-07-2013 20:15
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| Rin |
Posted on 28-07-2013 20:12
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I have heard that he took a blood transfusion just before the Tour 2003 but not that he stopped after 2003 to dope..
Here are several reports that say to 2003 or to 2004 in the underline text but none said really (in the text) when he stopped.
So tomorrow when the newspaper comes out there will be the full interview..
Actually he must have doped to the end of his career I mean wearing the green jersey on his last Tour (2008 when Freire snatched that one) when he was Voigt old? Camaaaan..
Plus he indicated that others during the Tour 1997 have doped..
He said that they (Team Telekom) can't take anyone for a fool as there are a lot of reports how it was during these times. He could only speak of hisself and he took EPO before and during the whole Tour 1997.
I have no idea who he could mean there.. Ullrich just took blood transfusions but that wasn't all the hype 1997 and Ullrich said he never took EPO.. So he can't be in there..
I wonder what might be with Rick, I mean a father who lied to him with that one 2007 and now again giving him actually (he didn't but if you are intelligent you can count 1 and 1 together) that" just shut up and lie the crap out of it when there is something".. But with signing with BMC he will get that as a lesson for day 1 I assume.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 28-07-2013 20:33
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Rin wrote:
I wonder what might be with Rick, I mean a father who lied to him with that one 2007 and now again giving him actually (he didn't but if you are intelligent you can count 1 and 1 together) that" just shut up and lie the crap out of it when there is something".. But with signing with BMC he will get that as a lesson for day 1 I assume.
According to Thomas Frei, Rihs and Ochowicz have all the 'don't dope!' spiel to the riders, but talk freely about the drug use and how to coordinate it with the riders on the team that do dope.
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Posted on 28-07-2013 20:33
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Zabel doped almost his entire career. Well I'm shocked! I daresay shocked. I mean surely no one else in that period.. wait
...nevermind. What's the news in this?
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 28-07-2013 21:20
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Rin wrote:
Plus he indicated that others during the Tour 1997 have doped..
He said that they (Team Telekom) can't take anyone for a fool as there are a lot of reports how it was during these times. He could only speak of hisself and he took EPO before and during the whole Tour 1997.
I have no idea who he could mean there.. Ullrich just took blood transfusions but that wasn't all the hype 1997 and Ullrich said he never took EPO.. So he can't be in there..
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Posted on 28-07-2013 21:28
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It would have been better if I sticked to my idea to put a spoiler under my text there Spoiler Well that was rhethorical and ironic, of course hints at Ullrich
I think
Edited by Rin on 28-07-2013 21:29
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 29-07-2013 07:26
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Dopers are pro liars...they just can not stop..as they can stop taking dope |
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Posted on 29-07-2013 10:33
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Zabel said he stopped 2004 with it
Now I know why he was just 2nd at the world championships 2006 behind Bettini
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Posted on 29-07-2013 10:42
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Apparently, he also claims that it was a mistake to just partially confess in 2007.
The level of hypocrisy is staggering.
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 29-07-2013 11:08
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MrUfo87 wrote:
Zabel confesss that he has used doping his whole carreer.
So Zabel has been Zabel'd |
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