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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 22-04-2012 17:10
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I'm guessing that chances are the doctors will take so many bloodsamples from Iglinsky that the mosquito that just bit me will have more blood then him. |
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| Dizzle |
Posted on 22-04-2012 17:10
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Wiley wrote:
and perhaps controversial opinions should just be opinions kept to yourself...
if he has doped you can rub it in peoples face, but other wise you just look like a fool
I'm in every right to share my opinions here. Just seeing how people go crazy, it just makes even more sense.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 22-04-2012 17:11
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litllemagnum wrote:
lluuiiggii wrote:
Dizzle wrote:
lluuiiggii wrote:
Dizzle wrote:
Anyway, this isn't the thread to discuss this I guess.
If this isn't the thread to discuss, which would be?
This isn't the doping thread?
There's no doping thread, so since it's related to a performance in this race, I guess it would be appropriate to discuss it here.
I also dislike when people go shouting 'doper' whenever a lesser rider wins. Especially in this year's Ardennes, with very strange results, favorites having problems/out of form, etc.
Which favorites were out of form apart from Gilbert or had problems?
Schlecks are worse then ever, Vinokourov was not in the race, Valverde had mechanical in the worst situation, Cunego was nowhere after hard Tirreno, should i continue?
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| sam1196 |
Posted on 22-04-2012 17:11
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Dizzle wrote:
sam1196 wrote:
Dizzle, count how many people said that Igliskiy isn't a certain doper. Than you'll know how stupid your response was.
So you think when more people have the same opinion, it becomes the truth? Wow.. Really?
I have the right to have my own opinions, just because you might not like my opinions, doesn't mean you're right.
No indeed, you are right there. But what it does say is that it's a wrong attitude to link a winner to doping.
I don't say i'm right, I say it is stupid to immediately blame a not even outsider for doping if he wins.
VINO VINO VINO VINO VINO VINO VINO VINO VINO
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| Kami |
Posted on 22-04-2012 17:12
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Dizzle wrote:
Wiley wrote:
and perhaps controversial opinions should just be opinions kept to yourself...
if he has doped you can rub it in peoples face, but other wise you just look like a fool
I'm in every right to share my opinions here. Just seeing how people go crazy, it just makes even more sense.
No, you literary said 'The doper won'. That's not even an opinion, that's a statement.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 22-04-2012 17:13
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kumazan wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
markene2 wrote:
@Avin Wargunnson.
I just think it's stupid that if a Russian, Slovak or Kazakh wins they all get called a doper. Simpley because they are from Easten Europe. Iglinsky rode a tactical race today, when no one was willing to work he went of the front. And it payed of. Froome's Vuelta was much more impresive last year, but then it was no speculation. It just shows that anyone that's not from central europe is called a Doper
I was speculating a lot about Froome back then 
Who wasn't? ?
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Posted on 22-04-2012 17:13
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kami +1
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| litllemagnum |
Posted on 22-04-2012 17:13
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markene2 wrote:
@Avin Wargunnson.
I just think it's stupid that if a Russian, Slovak or Kazakh wins they all get called a doper. Simpley because they are from Easten Europe. Iglinsky rode a tactical race today, when no one was willing to work he went of the front. And it payed of. Froome's Vuelta was much more impresive last year, but then it was no speculation. It just shows that anyone that's not from central europe is called a Doper
I'll admit that I'm sceptical when a Kazakh wins but with the rest of Eastern Europe I don't have that feeling.
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| sam1196 |
Posted on 22-04-2012 17:16
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Kami wrote:
Dizzle wrote:
Wiley wrote:
and perhaps controversial opinions should just be opinions kept to yourself...
if he has doped you can rub it in peoples face, but other wise you just look like a fool
I'm in every right to share my opinions here. Just seeing how people go crazy, it just makes even more sense.
No, you literary said 'The doper won'. That's not even an opinion, that's a statement.
That are thing I did when i wasn't following cycling... Shouting doping al the way.
have you ever been on a bike training for a goal? You certainly don't believe that you can get a good result at a big race with just hard labour throughout years?
VINO VINO VINO VINO VINO VINO VINO VINO VINO
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| litllemagnum |
Posted on 22-04-2012 17:18
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
litllemagnum wrote:
lluuiiggii wrote:
Dizzle wrote:
lluuiiggii wrote:
Dizzle wrote:
Anyway, this isn't the thread to discuss this I guess.
If this isn't the thread to discuss, which would be?
This isn't the doping thread?
There's no doping thread, so since it's related to a performance in this race, I guess it would be appropriate to discuss it here.
I also dislike when people go shouting 'doper' whenever a lesser rider wins. Especially in this year's Ardennes, with very strange results, favorites having problems/out of form, etc.
Which favorites were out of form apart from Gilbert or had problems?
Schlecks are worse then ever, Vinokourov was not in the race, Valverde had mechanical in the worst situation, Cunego was nowhere after hard Tirreno, should i continue?
F.Schleck was just retarded not out form. Vino isn't a real favorite just like Valverde. Cunego wasn't out of form since he won a stage in that Tirreno but maybe he didn't recuperate well. So you have named one favorite who wasn't as good as he was supposed to be so my answer is yes please continue
Pozzato sucks!
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 22-04-2012 17:20
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litllemagnum wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
litllemagnum wrote:
lluuiiggii wrote:
Dizzle wrote:
lluuiiggii wrote:
Dizzle wrote:
Anyway, this isn't the thread to discuss this I guess.
If this isn't the thread to discuss, which would be?
This isn't the doping thread?
There's no doping thread, so since it's related to a performance in this race, I guess it would be appropriate to discuss it here.
I also dislike when people go shouting 'doper' whenever a lesser rider wins. Especially in this year's Ardennes, with very strange results, favorites having problems/out of form, etc.
Which favorites were out of form apart from Gilbert or had problems?
Schlecks are worse then ever, Vinokourov was not in the race, Valverde had mechanical in the worst situation, Cunego was nowhere after hard Tirreno, should i continue?
F.Schleck was just retarded not out form. Vino isn't a real favorite just like Valverde. Cunego wasn't out of form since he won a stage in that Tirreno but maybe he didn't recuperate well. So you have named one favorite who wasn't as good as he was supposed to be so my answer is yes please continue
There are no favourites apart from Gilbert...
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 22-04-2012 17:22
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kumazan wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
markene2 wrote:
@Avin Wargunnson.
I just think it's stupid that if a Russian, Slovak or Kazakh wins they all get called a doper. Simpley because they are from Easten Europe. Iglinsky rode a tactical race today, when no one was willing to work he went of the front. And it payed of. Froome's Vuelta was much more impresive last year, but then it was no speculation. It just shows that anyone that's not from central europe is called a Doper
I was speculating a lot about Froome back then
Who wasn't? ?
Yeah, good thing there are no British fanboys on here...
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| fefj |
Posted on 22-04-2012 17:26
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litllemagnum wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
litllemagnum wrote:
lluuiiggii wrote:
Dizzle wrote:
lluuiiggii wrote:
Dizzle wrote:
Anyway, this isn't the thread to discuss this I guess.
If this isn't the thread to discuss, which would be?
This isn't the doping thread?
There's no doping thread, so since it's related to a performance in this race, I guess it would be appropriate to discuss it here.
I also dislike when people go shouting 'doper' whenever a lesser rider wins. Especially in this year's Ardennes, with very strange results, favorites having problems/out of form, etc.
Which favorites were out of form apart from Gilbert or had problems?
Schlecks are worse then ever, Vinokourov was not in the race, Valverde had mechanical in the worst situation, Cunego was nowhere after hard Tirreno, should i continue?
F.Schleck was just retarded not out form. Vino isn't a real favorite just like Valverde. Cunego wasn't out of form since he won a stage in that Tirreno but maybe he didn't recuperate well. So you have named one favorite who wasn't as good as he was supposed to be so my answer is yes please continue
Schleck was not out of form? Of course he is, he has shown absolutely nothing this year. He might also be retarded, i wouldn't know, but claiming he was in form to win this race is plain wrong.
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| sam1196 |
Posted on 22-04-2012 17:29
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fefj wrote:
litllemagnum wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
litllemagnum wrote:
lluuiiggii wrote:
Dizzle wrote:
lluuiiggii wrote:
Dizzle wrote:
Anyway, this isn't the thread to discuss this I guess.
If this isn't the thread to discuss, which would be?
This isn't the doping thread?
There's no doping thread, so since it's related to a performance in this race, I guess it would be appropriate to discuss it here.
I also dislike when people go shouting 'doper' whenever a lesser rider wins. Especially in this year's Ardennes, with very strange results, favorites having problems/out of form, etc.
Which favorites were out of form apart from Gilbert or had problems?
Schlecks are worse then ever, Vinokourov was not in the race, Valverde had mechanical in the worst situation, Cunego was nowhere after hard Tirreno, should i continue?
F.Schleck was just retarded not out form. Vino isn't a real favorite just like Valverde. Cunego wasn't out of form since he won a stage in that Tirreno but maybe he didn't recuperate well. So you have named one favorite who wasn't as good as he was supposed to be so my answer is yes please continue
Schleck was not out of form? Of course he is, he has shown absolutely nothing this year. He might also be retarded, i wouldn't know, but claiming he was in form to win this race is plain wrong.
And why is was Valverde not a "real" favorite?
Because he never showed he was back on his old level in classics, he only did some things in P-N
VINO VINO VINO VINO VINO VINO VINO VINO VINO
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 22-04-2012 17:29
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It's really fun to look back at and read the interviews with the Schlecks ahead of the Ardennes now. Andy continually claims that Frank is / was one of the strongest riders in each of the three races.
Now, at the end of the week, their best result is Frank's 12th place in Amstel.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 22-04-2012 17:31
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
It's really fun to look back at and read the interviews with the Schlecks ahead of the Ardennes now. Andy continually claims that Frank is / was one of the strongest riders in each of the three races.
Now, at the end of the week, their best result is Frank's 12th place in FW.
The Schleck dynasty will never learn 
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 22-04-2012 17:33
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Man, Andy and Frank both makes Merckx look like a complete amateur 
Untill the race actually starts, that is |
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| litllemagnum |
Posted on 22-04-2012 17:36
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sam1196 wrote:
fefj wrote:
litllemagnum wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
litllemagnum wrote:
lluuiiggii wrote:
Dizzle wrote:
lluuiiggii wrote:
Dizzle wrote:
Anyway, this isn't the thread to discuss this I guess.
If this isn't the thread to discuss, which would be?
This isn't the doping thread?
There's no doping thread, so since it's related to a performance in this race, I guess it would be appropriate to discuss it here.
I also dislike when people go shouting 'doper' whenever a lesser rider wins. Especially in this year's Ardennes, with very strange results, favorites having problems/out of form, etc.
Which favorites were out of form apart from Gilbert or had problems?
Schlecks are worse then ever, Vinokourov was not in the race, Valverde had mechanical in the worst situation, Cunego was nowhere after hard Tirreno, should i continue?
F.Schleck was just retarded not out form. Vino isn't a real favorite just like Valverde. Cunego wasn't out of form since he won a stage in that Tirreno but maybe he didn't recuperate well. So you have named one favorite who wasn't as good as he was supposed to be so my answer is yes please continue
Schleck was not out of form? Of course he is, he has shown absolutely nothing this year. He might also be retarded, i wouldn't know, but claiming he was in form to win this race is plain wrong.
And why is was Valverde not a "real" favorite?
Because he never showed he was back on his old level in classics, he only did some things in P-N
This and in regards to Schleck, he was badly postioned at la redoute and as far as i'm aware the Schlecks are bad when the roads are wet so he really wasn't out of form otherwise he would of said so instead of saying he was well prepaired in the startinterview.
Pozzato sucks!
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 22-04-2012 17:39
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For the love of God, stop quoting! |
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| felix_29 |
Posted on 22-04-2012 18:00
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Before this year´s Ardenne classics, only Gasparotto had one good result in one of them, and now he and Iglinsky take two wins and a third place?
Seems at least Iglinsly spent way too much time with Vino. 
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