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| Waghlon |
Posted on 13-09-2008 16:53
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Im thinking loud again and i might end up regretting saying this, but couldnt Gesink do a top 3 in a Grand Tour next year if said GT was just a tad easier?
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| issoisso |
Posted on 13-09-2008 16:55
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Define easier
crappy fields? yes, he could. but that won't happen.
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| t-baum |
Posted on 13-09-2008 16:56
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THE CORRECT wattage, is 427 watts.
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"We all know that wasn't the real footage of the Worlds anyway. That was just the staged footage to perpetuate the coverup that it was actually Vinokourov that won the race." |
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 13-09-2008 16:57
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issoisso wrote:
Define easier
crappy fields? yes, he could. but that won't happen.
... smaller mountains?
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| ruben |
Posted on 13-09-2008 17:00
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No, Gesink needs long mountains. The longer the better 
shorter, smaller mountains don't suit him, too much explosiveness needed |
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| ruben |
Posted on 13-09-2008 17:01
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issoisso wrote:
Ruben wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
Gesink managed well..Ruben should be pleased Yeah, he did a very good final 3km, he was with Mosquera and Zaugg, and then he rode away and came to 20 seconds of Sastre. Very good.
A few more years gaining power and experience, and he'll be battling for the win 
He definitely needs power. The TTs show he has less than the others and he's much much heavier. He'll need a few years allright. 3-4, maybe more.
We'll see  Heavier? He's 67kg at 1m91, if he gets lighter, he'll die |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 13-09-2008 17:08
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he's 10kg heavier than RodrÃguez, 5 than Contador. It's not a quesiton of "he must be lighter". it's a question of "he's too heavy to be a top climber given his current power"
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| issoisso |
Posted on 13-09-2008 17:08
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t-baum wrote:
THE CORRECT wattage, is 427 watts.
how the hell do you know the climbing time already? 
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| Levi4life |
Posted on 13-09-2008 17:08
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Wooooooooo Levi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And Damnit T-Baum make up your mind. Isso came when you said 496
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 13-09-2008 17:10
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Come on, this is the Vuelta. It's in Spain. It's like the Giro.
Wonder why they nailed Piti a couple of days ago? They all know the score, that's why.
Still, nice stage. And the best riders won.
And Basso vs Contador will be really interesting. And despite being a huge Basso fan, I think Contador will have it, JB is the maestro....though I hope I'm wrong....
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| issoisso |
Posted on 13-09-2008 17:11
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A. Basso won't be allowed
B. Basso > Contador
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 13-09-2008 17:13
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I wouldn't really call "Angliru" interesting. Everything was rather predictable, and unfortunately, Astana is and will be dominating. Now, imagine the Tour next year with this Astana team + Armstrong .. uh, so exciting
Well done by Gesink. Can't wait to see him next season. |
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| t-baum |
Posted on 13-09-2008 17:16
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issoisso wrote:
t-baum wrote:
THE CORRECT wattage, is 427 watts.
how the hell do you know the climbing time already?
When they hit the foot of the climb i started a stopwatch and when he got to the top i stopped it, total time up the climb was 44 min.
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"We all know that wasn't the real footage of the Worlds anyway. That was just the staged footage to perpetuate the coverup that it was actually Vinokourov that won the race."
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| issoisso |
Posted on 13-09-2008 17:18
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good. how many seconds exactly, do you know? I'd like to do the relative power.
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| t-baum |
Posted on 13-09-2008 17:19
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i believe it was be around 2650 seconds.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 13-09-2008 17:21
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thank you
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| Stairs |
Posted on 13-09-2008 18:01
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So, now we have the wattage - why not praise the comeback of Armstrong with some VAM's, calculated in the living memory of Amigo de Army, Michele Ferrari
If Contador's time up the Angliru was 44 minutes, as t-baum claims, Contador would have climbed the Angliru with a VAM just around 1700 m/h. Generally, Alpes rises with 6-8 % in average while Angliru was a little more than 10 %. From a 8%-climb to a 10%-climb, the VAM would rise between 90 m/h and 110 m/h. So, if Contador had climbed the Alpe d'Huez, he would have done it with maybe 1600 m/h. Sastre climbed the Alpe d'Huez with between 1680 m/h and 1720 m/h - can't remember precisely. Also, VAM's are generally higher in the Vuelta than in the Tour, mainly because of the lower temperatures, I'd think - or the lack of testing, one could say.
But, by reading the live-tickers - those can't be trusted but we'll try - Contador climbed Angliru in between 39 and 41 minutes. If we just go with the 40 minutes, that would give a completely different result. In that case, Contador would have climbed Angliru with 1875 m/h, which would mean just around 1775 m/h on the Alpe d'Huez. In that case, maybe Damsgaard is just a crying fool
So, what have we learned by this? Nothing, except I made a fool of myself
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| t-baum |
Posted on 13-09-2008 18:09
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Like i said i timed it myself, and this ticker shows back up.
https://www.velone...p?id=82625
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| issoisso |
Posted on 13-09-2008 18:10
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Sorry, t-baum, but if it was 44 minutes, his performance was so bad he's clean
His performance was so bad, a regular Moncoutié, Caucchioli, etc. would've destroyed him
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| brun sweater |
Posted on 13-09-2008 18:16
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427 is the relative wattage right?
Contador's real wattage number, given a total weight of 68.8kg, is around 380 watts then!?
Given 41min instead of 44min, the relative wattage is 483 watts, and the real is around 430 watts.
Edited by brun sweater on 13-09-2008 18:26
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