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Cycling at Beijing 2008 (now includes Paralympics)
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| schleck93 |
Posted on 09-08-2008 13:40
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Dan_Grr wrote:
I'm not going to argue that with a young man that has Sanchez as his avatar, it just wouldn't be appropriate for a gentleman.
Admit it you just don't like him, and by the way, gentelman would also have an appropiate answer, instead of not taking the discution.
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Posted on 09-08-2008 13:41
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wached now sprint replay...Cancellara.. ..amazing man, he knows what he has good..just TT'd to podium..never stand up at seat |
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| Smoothie |
Posted on 09-08-2008 13:43
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He really powered in the last 200m, if he had been on the front i dont think anyone would have got round him. |
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Posted on 09-08-2008 14:26
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My detailed analysis of todays race:
Ben Swift:  
Cancellara:
Sammy Sanchez:
Someone seriously has to take a look at Swift now. He outlasted a lot of good riders. Swift has been great all season, god all last season yet no-one has signed him up....(Barloworld had him as stagaire last year but didn't take him )
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Posted on 09-08-2008 17:43
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And there goes another win for Spain.. They seem to be owning "everything" this year.. |
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Posted on 09-08-2008 17:47
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Addy291 wrote:
Someone seriously has to take a look at Swift now. He outlasted a lot of good riders. Swift has been great all season, god all last season yet no-one has signed him up....(Barloworld had him as stagaire last year but didn't take him )
When something like that happens, it's almost always that the rider has a horrible character. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. It's pretty common actually.
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Posted on 09-08-2008 17:48
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Addy291 wrote:
Someone seriously has to take a look at Swift now. He outlasted a lot of good riders. Swift has been great all season, god all last season yet no-one has signed him up....(Barloworld had him as stagaire last year but didn't take him )
Outlasted?
How can you compare his performance when he didn't even finnish 
Was he fatigued from the tdf,no.
Is he saving himself for the tt,no.
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| Addy291 |
Posted on 09-08-2008 17:54
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Those guys are experienced professionals and are "used" to long seasons, Ben Swift is a 20 year old from Yorkshire, I have every right to big up has performance
Also, to add to your list of pointless rheatorical questions:
Was he riding for a high finish? no.
Was he riding purely for experience? yes.
Did he outlast big names as I said? yes.
I have more pointles rheatorical questions in the tank, and since you only used 1 persuasive technique in your post (rheatorical questions) and I used 2 (rheatorical questions and group of 2), I declare myself correct!
isso; for the above reason, I don't care at the moment
I'm sure I will in the future but I will always big up a Yorkshire lad for as long as possible before admitting his faults
Edited by Addy291 on 09-08-2008 18:01
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Posted on 09-08-2008 18:00
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Well, you can have all the talent in the world, but fail miserably because of a horrible attitude, as cyclists such as Mads Christensen have shown us over and over again.
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 09-08-2008 18:02
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Besides Chuckie, riding a race like the TDF is not necessarily a bad thing and can be good preparation for the Olympics for some. But other than that, your post is worthless, so moving in.
We shall see what the future holds for Swift - if in January he is still without a team then Isso's theory may be correct, but for now I will dismiss it for various reasons, including the fact that it is a great big generalisation.
If Swift had a bad character, I sincerely doubt that he would have been selected for the Olympic team and continually feature riding as a key part for the British team when in Italy or in races such as the Sachsentour.
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Posted on 09-08-2008 18:04
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The Great British Denial B)
We are awesome at denial
Edited by Addy291 on 09-08-2008 18:04
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Posted on 09-08-2008 18:05
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Addy291 wrote:
The Great British Denial B)
We are awesome at denial
I'm not saying he has a bad attitude. I'm saying it's the more likely explanation, based on past similar cases.
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Posted on 09-08-2008 18:16
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issoisso wrote:
Addy291 wrote:
The Great British Denial B)
We are awesome at denial
I'm not saying he has a bad attitude. I'm saying it's the more likely explanation, based on past similar cases.
Exactly, Its jumping to conclusions far too early based on no shred of evidence other than that it happened in the past to other riders.
Perhaps in a year or two if Swift is still not signed up then maybe it is due to a bad character. But this isnt in a year or two, he is still only 20 and it is just an annoying unneccesary assumption.
When Stagiare with Barloworld he was 19. You dont see many 19 year olds being signed up by teams like Barloworld or ProTour teams, at that age it is better for Swift's development to have another year at a lower level as he has done. For Isso to say it is almost certainly down to bad character is just, for want of a better word, stupid.
Call me biased if you will for being British. But that is your view, this is mine, and in my view, your view is wrong
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Posted on 09-08-2008 18:20
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SportingNonsense wrote:
Exactly, Its jumping to conclusions far too early based on no shred of evidence other than that it happened in the past to other riders.
I was agreeing with you before, now you're being chauvinistic. He's had brilliant results, much better than most young talents, yet he's gone unsigned for a long, long time. Barloworld had him as a stagiaire and didn't sign him.
It's an assumption, but it has it's merits as any other does. I know you tend to be overprotective of everything british, but saying that an assumption is stupid because it's based on past events is literally funny.
So, if it's wrong to base yourself on past history, I'll just assume that Mark Renshaw is going to win the Vuelta. History shows that's impossible, due to sprinters never winning the Vuelta, but I'll just disregard history then.
It's not what you said that pissed me off. it's your tone. drop the chauvinism already. (EDIT: what you just edited in eases it a bit )
Edited by issoisso on 09-08-2008 18:22
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Posted on 09-08-2008 18:26
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You kinda over exaggerate the whole basing it on the past thing. Each person is different, Some may show good results and then leap at the opportunity to ride for a big team only to flop as it was at a too early stage in their development and they just couldnt cope with the tougher races.
I know that many riders will you choose to turn down contract offers and to instead ease themselves towards the top level. I have no idea if this is the case with Swift but surely this is a plausible reason for why he wasnt signed up other than just attitude?
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Posted on 09-08-2008 18:32
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SportingNonsense wrote:
You kinda over exaggerate the whole basing it on the past thing. Each person is different, Some may show good results and then leap at the opportunity to ride for a big team only to flop as it was at a too early stage in their development and they just couldnt cope with the tougher races.
I know that many riders will you choose to turn down contract offers and to instead ease themselves towards the top level. I have no idea if this is the case with Swift but surely this is a plausible reason for why he wasnt signed up other than just attitude?
Could be. But if he signed last year, it's strange that he wouldn't sign after that. To me the most telling flag is that Barloworld didn't sign him despite his results. We'll see in the next few months. Notice that most "star prospects" like Riccò and such don't have more sparkling youth records than Swift.
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| Addy291 |
Posted on 09-08-2008 18:32
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There are lots of possible reasons, lots of "if's", "maybe's" and "but's".
So lets just all agree that Swift is awesome and leave it there
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Posted on 09-08-2008 18:35
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I did hear today at 4:30am that Swifty was going to be riding again as a Stagiere for Barloworld in the ToB. Whether that's true or not i don't know. There is, of course, the possibility that after 8 days of getting up at 4:30 am that i was hearing things.
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Posted on 09-08-2008 18:39
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rjc_43 wrote:
I did hear today at 4:30am that Swifty was going to be riding again as a Stagiere for Barloworld in the ToB. Whether that's true or not i don't know. There is, of course, the possibility that after 8 days of getting up at 4:30 am that i was hearing things.
Would be great if its true but also likely that perhaps it was someone talking about the fact that he rode for Barloworld at the ToB last year.
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| chuckie |
Posted on 09-08-2008 18:45
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Addy and SN,I have nothing for or against Swift,he's obviously a talented young rider.
I just think that in addy's post it made him out as if he had achieved something great.
Which he really didn't.
Addy291 wrote:
My detailed analysis of todays race:
Ben Swift:
Someone seriously has to take a look at Swift now. He outlasted a lot of good riders.
Yeah right,I bet teams are queuing up to sign him after todays great performance.
In which he ''outlasted'' a couple of good riders.
Why did he pull out anyway?
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