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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 09-06-2012 11:32
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Vien wrote:
Don't forgot a certain Lance Armstrong invented only riding the Tour and not caring about the other races. And who is Schleck's team leader?
I know there's a lot going on at Radioshack, but I'm not sure if JB's really that unhappy with this.
There's a difference between Schleck and Armstrong.
Armstrong actually won the Tour with this tactic. Andy keeps finishing second, even though he should be much more fresh than his rivals.
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Posted on 09-06-2012 11:35
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
Vien wrote:
Don't forgot a certain Lance Armstrong invented only riding the Tour and not caring about the other races. And who is Schleck's team leader?
I know there's a lot going on at Radioshack, but I'm not sure if JB's really that unhappy with this.
There's a difference between Schleck and Armstrong.
Armstrong actually won the Tour with this tactic. Andy keeps finishing second, even though he should be much more fresh than his rivals.
Still, if Merckx and Armstrong had the same age, would Armstrong have changed his plans?
Perhaps he thinks/is certain that racing more races would kill his chances to win the Tour. Only question left is if winning the Tour is worth more than winning a lot of other races.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 09-06-2012 11:35
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Andy's still young, though. He'll win one eventually, I think.
But he could do so much more, but maybe to him other races just aren't important.
I wonder who wants Schleck in their team, he doesn't bring in a lot of money, just once in a year the 2nd place in TDF.
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| CountArach |
Posted on 09-06-2012 11:39
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Ian Butler wrote:
Andy's still young, though. He'll win one eventually, I think.
But he could do so much more, but maybe to him other races just aren't important.
I wonder who wants Schleck in their team, he doesn't bring in a lot of money, just once in a year the 2nd place in TDF.
But I guess that compared to his wage, that isn't a lot.
He brings a hell of a lot of publicity to whoever can sign him and given that is what companies are interested in, I would say he gives a good return on investment. In terms of pure UCI points though, you're right.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 09-06-2012 11:41
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Vien wrote:
Don't forgot a certain Lance Armstrong invented only riding the Tour and not caring about the other races.
I admit an American famous rider and former world champion launched the TDF specialisation trend, but it was a couple of years before the Lance Armstrong era, actually... |
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Posted on 09-06-2012 11:46
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Gallopin says "He [Schleck] couldn’t pedal anymore", the Frenchman said. "Since he crashed during the time trial, the whole right side of his body was hurting. He was climbing all right but he was suffering to hold his bike. Yesterday, he managed to finish but today, racing had become too difficult." |
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| Vien |
Posted on 09-06-2012 11:49
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Aquarius wrote:
Vien wrote:
Don't forgot a certain Lance Armstrong invented only riding the Tour and not caring about the other races.
I admit an American famous rider and former world champion launched the TDF specialisation trend, but it was a couple of years before the Lance Armstrong era, actually...
You mean LeMond?
Not sure, I wasn't born then. But the difference is that it worked out six more times for Armstrong than for Schleck, which made him a hero, though riders who only won the Tour once and a lot of other races always get forgotten much more easily. I'm sure Schleck is using that fact to defend his way of training.
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Posted on 09-06-2012 11:56
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Aquarius wrote:
Vien wrote:
Don't forgot a certain Lance Armstrong invented only riding the Tour and not caring about the other races.
I admit an American famous rider and former world champion launched the TDF specialisation trend, but it was a couple of years before the Lance Armstrong era, actually...
LeMond rode the Giro for the win, the worlds for the win (and won it), finished in the top places at Roubaix.
Not really comparable.
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Posted on 09-06-2012 11:58
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Wilier wrote:
That's the only reason I hate tennis.
Me too
And I've read in several forums a huge amount of fans of different sports saying the same thing.
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Posted on 09-06-2012 12:03
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Anyway, no problems here. Eurosport are showing the Dauphiné right now.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 09-06-2012 12:52
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Just found a live-stream, but they're not talking about the situation. I know Feillu's in front, but what else is between him and peloton? |
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Posted on 09-06-2012 12:54
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Feillu has 1:15 over the breal with the bunch at 4:16 seems to be the gap.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 09-06-2012 12:56
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Okay, thanks. Streaming's lagging like hell. I haven't seen a minute of this Dauphinée yet, too bad. |
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Posted on 09-06-2012 12:56
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Watching the AFL here, what's the situation? How many more kms left?
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Posted on 09-06-2012 12:57
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Joux Plane climb starts in a moment.
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 09-06-2012 12:58
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This works nice - https://sports-liv...l/ch-6.php
29km left.
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Posted on 09-06-2012 12:59
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Feillu --- 1'50" on 19 riders ---- 3'50" on peloton
28km to go
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Posted on 09-06-2012 13:04
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Joux Plane is here! 
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 09-06-2012 13:06
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issoisso wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
Vien wrote:
Don't forgot a certain Lance Armstrong invented only riding the Tour and not caring about the other races.
I admit an American famous rider and former world champion launched the TDF specialisation trend, but it was a couple of years before the Lance Armstrong era, actually...
LeMond rode the Giro for the win, the worlds for the win (and won it), finished in the top places at Roubaix.
Not really comparable.
Most of it was before his hunting injury.
His specialisation started when he came back from it. From that moment, outside the TDF, he was good at the Worlds (which took place soon after the TDF) and a couple of other Summer races, but that was it. He didn't achieve much before the Tour, nor after. His seasons had become totally TDF based.
And other riders with an equivalent level wouldn't stand a chance if they didn't adopt the same attitude, which is more or less how cycling evolved from almost all riders (from the least to the best talented ones) riding all season long to the best riders having only one objective per season. |
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Posted on 09-06-2012 13:10
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Aquarius wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
Vien wrote:
Don't forgot a certain Lance Armstrong invented only riding the Tour and not caring about the other races.
I admit an American famous rider and former world champion launched the TDF specialisation trend, but it was a couple of years before the Lance Armstrong era, actually...
LeMond rode the Giro for the win, the worlds for the win (and won it), finished in the top places at Roubaix.
Not really comparable.
Most of it was before his hunting injury.
His specialisation started when he came back from it. From that moment, outside the TDF, he was good at the Worlds (which took place soon after the TDF) and a couple of other Summer races, but that was it. He didn't achieve much before the Tour, nor after. His seasons had become totally TDF based.
And other riders with an equivalent level wouldn't stand a chance if they didn't adopt the same attitude, which is more or less how cycling evolved from almost all riders (from the least to the best talented ones) riding all season long to the best riders having only one objective per season.
I disagree strongly with that.
Sure, after the injury he was lazier and wasn't in such good form for so much of the season, but he was top 10 at Roubaix, 2nd at the Zuri Metzgete, was up there in San Remo, Flanders, tried hard to win stages at the Giro despite not having great form, going in breaks, etc.
Anyway, Vino dropped. Not a surprise, his career is done, basically.
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