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Tour de France 11 Stage 9: Issoire > Saint Flour 208km
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 10-07-2011 23:26
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redlion1987 wrote:
And all the other riders care about more then, let's say 5 races in the year?
Most riders try to get the best result they can in the races they enter (except for Suisse and Dauphine when everybody goes crazy and they are just trying to get in shape for the Tour). Andy doesn't and that's why I don't like him. It's as simple as that.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 10-07-2011 23:27
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redlion1987 wrote:
And all the other riders care about more then, let's say 5 races in the year?
Let's make a quick comparison of the last three years of Andy and Alberto. Since the start of the 2009 season, Alberto has won:
-Vuelta al PaÃs Vasco
-Tour de France (x2)
-Volta ao Algarve (x2)
-Vuelta a Castilla y León
-Paris - Nice
-Giro d'Italia
-Volta a Catalunya
-Vuelta a Murcia
-plus several stages in these and other races
while Andy has won:
-Liège - Bastogne - Liège
-plus two TdF stages and a Tour of Luxembourg stage.
I wouldn't say that the difference in talent between AC and AS is enough to explain such a difference.
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 10-07-2011 23:32
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I wish it were the olden days, when riders would target everything.
Oh well, we don't live in that time.
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| redlion1987 |
Posted on 10-07-2011 23:33
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Ok you got me...
...but you forgot something very important... |
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 10-07-2011 23:35
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doddy13 wrote:
I wish it were the olden days, when riders would target everything.
Oh well, we don't live in that time.
No one says you have to target everything. But at least you should have some sort of respect for the races you enter.
And if you only care for one race and focus everything on it at least win it like someone did for 7 years in a row.
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| hillis91 |
Posted on 10-07-2011 23:37
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alexkr00 wrote:
doddy13 wrote:
I wish it were the olden days, when riders would target everything.
Oh well, we don't live in that time.
No one says you have to target everything. But at least you should have some sort of respect for the races you enter.
And if you only care for one race and focus everything on it at least win it like someone did for 7 years in a row.
Well, in the old days they used illegal supstences on a regular basis  Easier to win a lot of races if you are full of EPO etc.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 10-07-2011 23:39
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hillis91 wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
doddy13 wrote:
I wish it were the olden days, when riders would target everything.
Oh well, we don't live in that time.
No one says you have to target everything. But at least you should have some sort of respect for the races you enter.
And if you only care for one race and focus everything on it at least win it like someone did for 7 years in a row.
Well, in the old days they used illegal supstences on a regular basis Easier to win a lot of races if you are full of EPO etc.
Unlike now, where they are on bread and butter.
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| hillis91 |
Posted on 10-07-2011 23:44
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kumazan wrote:
hillis91 wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
doddy13 wrote:
I wish it were the olden days, when riders would target everything.
Oh well, we don't live in that time.
No one says you have to target everything. But at least you should have some sort of respect for the races you enter.
And if you only care for one race and focus everything on it at least win it like someone did for 7 years in a row.
Well, in the old days they used illegal supstences on a regular basis Easier to win a lot of races if you are full of EPO etc.
Unlike now, where they are on bread and butter.
Well, the controlls are more strict then they where. And the culture in the peleton is more "non-doping" it seems. But if your not in the game, you'll never know.
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| chrica04 |
Posted on 11-07-2011 00:03
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Tom Danielson is doing great!! Hope he can hold on to form, he is all Garmin has left |
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| DJP19 |
Posted on 11-07-2011 02:21
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chrica04 wrote:
Tom Danielson is doing great!! Hope he can hold on to form, he is all Garmin has left
+1
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| ABridgeTooFar |
Posted on 11-07-2011 05:28
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DJP19 wrote:
chrica04 wrote:
Tom Danielson is doing great!! Hope he can hold on to form, he is all Garmin has left
+1
+2 Although VDV is only 30 seconds behind Tommy D |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 11-07-2011 06:11
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hillis91 wrote:
kumazan wrote:
hillis91 wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
doddy13 wrote:
I wish it were the olden days, when riders would target everything.
Oh well, we don't live in that time.
No one says you have to target everything. But at least you should have some sort of respect for the races you enter.
And if you only care for one race and focus everything on it at least win it like someone did for 7 years in a row.
Well, in the old days they used illegal supstences on a regular basis Easier to win a lot of races if you are full of EPO etc.
Unlike now, where they are on bread and butter.
Well, the controlls are more strict then they where. And the culture in the peleton is more "non-doping" it seems. But if your not in the game, you'll never know.
Little bit naive for me, controlls are more strict,but doping evolved too and is tougher to discover
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 11-07-2011 06:26
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hillis91 wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
doddy13 wrote:
I wish it were the olden days, when riders would target everything.
Oh well, we don't live in that time.
No one says you have to target everything. But at least you should have some sort of respect for the races you enter.
And if you only care for one race and focus everything on it at least win it like someone did for 7 years in a row.
Well, in the old days they used illegal supstences on a regular basis Easier to win a lot of races if you are full of EPO etc. EPO got widespread in the early 90's. By then, riders like LeMond had already become specialists, that mostly targetted one race (TDF) in their season.
The time when everyone rode everywhere all season long and could target everything was before EPO, actually. |
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| SotD |
Posted on 11-07-2011 09:28
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Heine wrote:
M3d3k wrote:
Will be any actions against car driver, that was really sick, what he had done...
Kicked out of the race forever
That's not a sanction, that's a consequence
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 11-07-2011 11:20
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I don't see how it's not a sanction. It might be appropriated or not, but it's definitely a sanction in my eyes. |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 11-07-2011 11:39
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Aquarius wrote:
hillis91 wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
doddy13 wrote:
I wish it were the olden days, when riders would target everything.
Oh well, we don't live in that time.
No one says you have to target everything. But at least you should have some sort of respect for the races you enter.
And if you only care for one race and focus everything on it at least win it like someone did for 7 years in a row.
Well, in the old days they used illegal supstences on a regular basis Easier to win a lot of races if you are full of EPO etc. EPO got widespread in the early 90's. By then, riders like LeMond had already become specialists, that mostly targetted one race (TDF) in their season.
The time when everyone rode everywhere all season long and could target everything was before EPO, actually.
Didn't LeMond become a TdF specialist only after his accident? He has great results in all the big classics (and I mean in all of them, from Paris-Roubaix to the GP des Nations) prior to the accident.
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| BouBBox |
Posted on 11-07-2011 11:41
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kumazan wrote:
redlion1987 wrote:
And all the other riders care about more then, let's say 5 races in the year?
Let's make a quick comparison of the last three years of Andy and Alberto. Since the start of the 2009 season, Alberto has won:
-Vuelta al PaÃs Vasco
-Tour de France (x2)
-Volta ao Algarve (x2)
-Vuelta a Castilla y León
-Paris - Nice
-Giro d'Italia
-Volta a Catalunya
-Vuelta a Murcia
-plus several stages in these and other races
while Andy has won:
-Liège - Bastogne - Liège
-plus two TdF stages and a Tour of Luxembourg stage.
I wouldn't say that the difference in talent between AC and AS is enough to explain such a difference.
Andys first goal is to win the Tdf and the only way he can achieve it is to prepare it nearly exclusively even though he did quite good classics, Alberto is (if he is clean) the best tour rider and the only way it is possible to beat him is to let him ride as many races as possible so he doesn't have his best shape on the Tour.
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| spudde |
Posted on 11-07-2011 12:45
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BouBBox wrote:
kumazan wrote:
redlion1987 wrote:
And all the other riders care about more then, let's say 5 races in the year?
Let's make a quick comparison of the last three years of Andy and Alberto. Since the start of the 2009 season, Alberto has won:
-Vuelta al PaÃs Vasco
-Tour de France (x2)
-Volta ao Algarve (x2)
-Vuelta a Castilla y León
-Paris - Nice
-Giro d'Italia
-Volta a Catalunya
-Vuelta a Murcia
-plus several stages in these and other races
while Andy has won:
-Liège - Bastogne - Liège
-plus two TdF stages and a Tour of Luxembourg stage.
I wouldn't say that the difference in talent between AC and AS is enough to explain such a difference.
Andys first goal is to win the Tdf and the only way he can achieve it is to prepare it nearly exclusively even though he did quite good classics, Alberto is (if he is clean) the best tour rider and the only way it is possible to beat him is to let him ride as many races as possible so he doesn't have his best shape on the Tour.
I don't quite understand what you mean as I don't think anyone is letting Alberto ride more races in the hopes of beating him at the TdF. He makes that decision on his own and with his team  The difference between Andy and riders like Contador or Evans seems to be that the others actually try to race even when their shape isn't optimal. I'm sure Evans hasn't been really "peaking" so to say for all the shorter stage races as his season also is built on the TdF this year. He still tries his best and has won Tirreno-Adriatico, Romandie and been 2nd at the Dauphine. The same goes for Contador who seems to be good whenever he competes. Whereas Andy Schleck is terrible in most races all season long but then suddenly he is in top form in the LBL and the TdF. Surely his form isn't that bad in all the races which means that he isn't just interested in actually trying to race.. |
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| SotD |
Posted on 11-07-2011 13:21
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Aquarius wrote:
I don't see how it's not a sanction. It might be appropriated or not, but it's definitely a sanction in my eyes.
Well to me the word Sanction means:
- To publish a new law against this. In order to prevent it from happening again.
And taking out that exact car is not a sanction. That is a punishment eg. a consequence of that exact happening.
EDIT:
Just checked the dictionary. It agrees with me. (Prevent further episodes from occuring is the key)
Edited by SotD on 11-07-2011 13:22
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| kumazan |
Posted on 11-07-2011 14:16
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There's already a rule to prevent this. It just was violated.
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