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TdF'13 Stage 20 - Annecy to Annecy-Semnoz (July 20)
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| ruben |
Posted on 20-07-2013 21:09
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I totally disagree with Jacdk.
Also, Quintana WAS seen as a trheat by Sky, already before the Tour began. In fact, Froome specifically named him as one of the biggest threats especially in the mountains. He was even slightly afraid of Quintana in the mountains.
That's also the reason Sky said in the first mountain stage they thought Movistars tactics were dumb by sending Quintana in the attack so early. Sky new what Movistar themselves didn;t... that Quintana is better than Valverde and a much bigger threat to Sky/Froome.
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 20-07-2013 21:10
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Jacdk wrote:
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Quintana is better in medium mountains than you think. As for TTs, he is a second year pro after all and he isn't exactly awful. And his 19 seconds loss came through summit finishes in the high mountains, not the medium mountains.
And you wont hear me disagree that in the future he is a gC winner, but talking right now about him being 2-5-20sec behind Froome is insane, because noone saw this kid as a threat before the mountains and even there he was still just there to help Valverde. until Valverde lost those mins.
So guessing how and what place he would have had , is just stupid.
Heading into the Tour, Team Sky stated they felt Quintana was a threat and they weren't going to let him get away on the climbs if he tried.
I would say a lot of people saw him as a threat, and many people even on this site were thinking he would outride his leader in Valverde.
And about Quintana in general, he's the whole package as far as GC riders go. He is a terrific climber, very good on the hills and as a 23 year old he's not going to lose a Grand Tour in the TTs, and when theres a bit of climbing involved in the TT its possible he can gain time on others.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 20-07-2013 21:12
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I hope one thing: Quintana gets trained as a climber. I hope nobody forces some crap training on him to make him something he's not and not develop his climbing skills properly.
That's like all those fools wanting to make Sagan win the Tour. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 20-07-2013 21:13
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The question is if Quintana CAN improve as climber. I mean he's pretty much already the worlds best together with Froome. If he gets much better he'll be breaking Pantani times by the time he's 27 lol |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 20-07-2013 21:18
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I'm pretty sure he can improve. In either way he can improve strength  |
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 20-07-2013 21:26
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ruben wrote:
I totally disagree with Jacdk.
Also, Quintana WAS seen as a trheat by Sky, already before the Tour began. In fact, Froome specifically named him as one of the biggest threats especially in the mountains. He was even slightly afraid of Quintana in the mountains.
That's also the reason Sky said in the first mountain stage they thought Movistars tactics were dumb by sending Quintana in the attack so early. Sky new what Movistar themselves didn;t... that Quintana is better than Valverde and a much bigger threat to Sky/Froome.
Only Unzue didn't get the clue.
And i disagree with you.
But it doesnt matter now, if Sky saw Quintana as a threat they clearly didn´t need to do much since he took care of that himself on the TT´s |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 20-07-2013 21:29
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| dienblad |
Posted on 20-07-2013 21:30
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Still it's pretty funny to notice that when Froome wins by a pretty big margin, almost everybody accuses him of doping. But when Quintana does, almost none does....
- Froome: Suspicious untill the Ventoux. After that gradually declining, showing he's a human. But still suspicious, only less.
- Quintana: 23-years-old and being the best in the last week of an incredible hard Tour.... Too much like a fairytale, I think this can't be real, probably an even more obvious doper than Froome.
- RodrÃguez: 34, and becoming even faster and faster. Last year being strong all year long. Now the 2nd fastest rider in the 3rd week. Doped!!
- Contador: think this is the reel Contador. Possibly doped before his ban, but think he's clean now.
- Kreuziger: really don't know....
- Mollema: clean. Was in good form too early before the Tour (Suisse), and combined with an illness, he payed for it the last week.
- Fuglsang: clean.
- Valverde: if I say seomthing about him, riis will attack me.
- Porte: Too good to be true. But stil lI wonder if he can be great for 21 stages when he is the team leader...
OKay, shoot me. Just my humble opinion.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 20-07-2013 21:32
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ruben wrote:
Ste117 wrote:
Cadel Evans finishing over a 1 hour done overall, I have never seen him finish over an hour down, I think it may be time to retire, but I think the fact that he done the Giro maybe a reason why, maybe the Giro had taken alot of him than we expected.
If half the mt stages in the Giro weren't cancelled or half-cancelled. Cadel Evans would not have finished in the top 10 of the Giro even
Good joke. Only Nibali, Uran and Betancur were better as Evans in the Giro.
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Malkael wrote:
Jacdk wrote:
When have you ever seen a rider go from being 30-35min behind the winner to actually win a tour?
I guess if Porte wants to prove that he is taking something else then tap water, he cna win, but there is no chance in h... that Porte can ever win a GT if he is clean.
Not quite 30 minutes down, but in the 2002 Giro d'Italia Cadel Evans did an impressive bonk and ended up finishing the race 14th 16'25". Not to mention the time gaps in this Tour de France to the winner are frankly extreme, with Mikel Nieve in 12th a large 20'44" down on Froome-dawg.
Funnily enough, it wasn't even 1 whole sage. He bonked halfway up the last mountain of the Giro. He was in pink at the time.
If he wouldn't have bonked there, he would have had the mental declic (which made him a winner) he got after the 2009 WC 7 years earlier
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 20-07-2013 21:34
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valverde321 wrote:
Heading into the Tour, Team Sky stated they felt Quintana was a threat and they weren't going to let him get away on the climbs if he tried.
I would say a lot of people saw him as a threat, and many people even on this site were thinking he would outride his leader in Valverde.
And about Quintana in general, he's the whole package as far as GC riders go. He is a terrific climber, very good on the hills and as a 23 year old he's not going to lose a Grand Tour in the TTs, and when theres a bit of climbing involved in the TT its possible he can gain time on others.
Are you drunk? Quintana lost almost 6mins combined to the top riders in the TT´s
And on the TT with a climb he was still 1min behind a guy like Contador.
But that doesnt mean he cant improve, he is just 23, but again talking about him like he could do next year is just plain idiotic |
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| ruben |
Posted on 20-07-2013 21:35
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Spilak23 wrote:
ruben wrote:
Ste117 wrote:
Cadel Evans finishing over a 1 hour done overall, I have never seen him finish over an hour down, I think it may be time to retire, but I think the fact that he done the Giro maybe a reason why, maybe the Giro had taken alot of him than we expected.
If half the mt stages in the Giro weren't cancelled or half-cancelled. Cadel Evans would not have finished in the top 10 of the Giro even
Good joke. Only Nibali, Uran and Betancur were better as Evans in the Giro.
I'm not joking. Evans was on the verge of collapsing completely in the 3rd week of the Giro. But because half of the mountains getting cancelled leading to much easier stages (or even no stage in 1 case) he got saved.
You could see it in the last mountai nstage
https://cqranking....ceid=24024
That's 13, count em, 13, riders better than him. And if the other multi mountai nstages didn't get beheaded, he'd drop and lose 30 minutes in one of them.. I'm pretty sure |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 20-07-2013 21:35
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Quintana said himself he had a bad day on the second tt. Would have been around Conta and Purito's time there otherwise |
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| ruben |
Posted on 20-07-2013 21:36
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Spilak23 wrote:
Mollema wheelsucker grapes are sour in Belgium once again. Calimero |
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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 20-07-2013 21:38
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I agree with Dienblad, I can't believe how a 23-year old recuperates so well in such an extemely tough Tour. Pretty much every rider is at the end of his powers and he only gets better. Same goes for Purito, he's 34 but only gets better and better lol.
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 20-07-2013 21:38
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ruben wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
Mollema wheelsucker grapes are sour in Belgium once again. Calimero
to be fair he wasn't seen anywere else but Fuglsangs wheel
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 20-07-2013 21:38
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ruben wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
ruben wrote:
Ste117 wrote:
Cadel Evans finishing over a 1 hour done overall, I have never seen him finish over an hour down, I think it may be time to retire, but I think the fact that he done the Giro maybe a reason why, maybe the Giro had taken alot of him than we expected.
If half the mt stages in the Giro weren't cancelled or half-cancelled. Cadel Evans would not have finished in the top 10 of the Giro even
Good joke. Only Nibali, Uran and Betancur were better as Evans in the Giro.
I'm not joking. Evans was on the verge of collapsing completely in the 3rd week of the Giro. But because half of the mountains getting cancelled leading to much easier stages (or even no stage in 1 case) he got saved.
You could see it in the last mountai nstage
https://cqranking....ceid=24024
That's 13, count em, 13, riders better than him. And if the other multi mountai nstages didn't get beheaded, he'd drop and lose 30 minutes in one of them.. I'm pretty sure
He was in 4th position when he had a gearing problem.
He was much better as Scarponi, Niemic, Majka, Sanchez, Wiggins, Pozzovivo on the other MTF's |
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| FreitasPCM |
Posted on 20-07-2013 21:38
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Quintana is a freaking beast, and an amazing talent, something rare. Of course I don't know if he's riding with other supplies, but I hope not, amazing Tour for him. |
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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 20-07-2013 21:38
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ruben wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
Mollema wheelsucker grapes are sour in Belgium once again. Calimero
What did he expect Mollema to do but defend his 6th place?? What a stupid remark, don't even react to it. |
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 20-07-2013 21:39
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Biggest upset this TdF: Quintana showing he can soon win a GT with not too many problems.
Biggest dissapointment: BMC. Just... just... wow.
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 20-07-2013 21:39
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Spilak23 wrote:
Quintana said himself he had a bad day on the second tt. Would have been around Conta and Purito's time there otherwise
Of course he had 
otherwise he would have destroyed them all and only be -1 from Froome.
Did he also have a bad day when he lost 45sec on a flat stretch to a group with froome who didn´t even look like they tried. |
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