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Tour de France, Stage 7 - Saturday, July 7th Tomblaine / La Planche des Belles Filles
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 08-07-2012 10:55
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mb2612 wrote:
issoisso wrote:
In the past, that I can remember I've argued that the following teams/riders were not clean:
US Postal/Discovery
Telekom/T-Mobile
Liberty Seguros
Astana
Phonak
Rasmussen
Contador
Di Luca
Saunier
Schleck
You spent a while arguing with me about Barloworld as well.
Isso will argue about anything, which means that by law of averages alot of his arguments will come true.
The other ones he conviniently forgets about and seeing as no-one else can be bothered to trawl through the archives to point these out they get forgotten.
The total list of people/teams he's accused of doping would probably run onto 2 pages but he doesn't mention any of them supprisingly. Shame he couldn't predict it in riders from his own country though
You'll never win an argument with Isso simply because you have a life and so can't dedicate your whole life to reading every single post/article about the subject, cherry pick the info that supports your own view and then write a pompous 1000 word essay that no one will ever read and so ends the argument. |
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| tyriion |
Posted on 08-07-2012 11:07
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tyriion wrote:
ruben wrote:
Gesink says he never crashed this hard and felt almost nothing. "Must have landed on top of someone instead of asphalt"
Top 3 chances are gone ofcourse, but not chances of being good in mountain stages
Still he couldn't follow the group with Schleck and Mollema and lost an additional 1,5 minutes. So I'm not too hopeful for him. And Mollema looked bad too, so I'm afraid they will just be dropped.
Amazing that Ten Dam is the only guy uninjured. That will probably last until the Pyrenees.
I was right unfortunately 
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Posted on 08-07-2012 11:21
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ringo182 wrote:
mb2612 wrote:
issoisso wrote:
In the past, that I can remember I've argued that the following teams/riders were not clean:
US Postal/Discovery
Telekom/T-Mobile
Liberty Seguros
Astana
Phonak
Rasmussen
Contador
Di Luca
Saunier
Schleck
You spent a while arguing with me about Barloworld as well.
Isso will argue about anything, which means that by law of averages alot of his arguments will come true.
The other ones he conviniently forgets about and seeing as no-one else can be bothered to trawl through the archives to point these out they get forgotten.
The total list of people/teams he's accused of doping would probably run onto 2 pages but he doesn't mention any of them supprisingly. Shame he couldn't predict it in riders from his own country though
You'll never win an argument with Isso simply because you have a life and so can't dedicate your whole life to reading every single post/article about the subject, cherry pick the info that supports your own view and then write a pompous 1000 word essay that no one will ever read and so ends the argument.
I am deeply sorry but if you are going to neglect someone opininion use some facts. If you write it like you did it would sound like sour grapes to me. And please if you don't have time to discuss it for ages just ask your opponent when and make one hour discussion thread with him. It will be much better than just write off whole discussion with nonsense. |
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Posted on 08-07-2012 11:23
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tyriion wrote:
tyriion wrote:
ruben wrote:
Gesink says he never crashed this hard and felt almost nothing. "Must have landed on top of someone instead of asphalt"
Top 3 chances are gone ofcourse, but not chances of being good in mountain stages
Still he couldn't follow the group with Schleck and Mollema and lost an additional 1,5 minutes. So I'm not too hopeful for him. And Mollema looked bad too, so I'm afraid they will just be dropped.
Amazing that Ten Dam is the only guy uninjured. That will probably last until the Pyrenees.
I was right unfortunately
Gesink = a specialized climber who can't climb
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Gesink = a professional bike rider who can't ride a bike
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Posted on 08-07-2012 11:25
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Posted on 08-07-2012 11:26
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ringo182 wrote:
You'll never win an argument with Isso simply because you have a life and so can't dedicate your whole life to reading every single post/article about the subject, cherry pick the info that supports your own view and then write a pompous 1000 word essay that no one will ever read and so ends the argument.
You are simultaneously dismissing his arguments and acknowledging his greater knowledge of the subject area.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 08-07-2012 11:29
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Oh goodie. I see ringo has set aside this special time to humiliate himself in public once again. Thank you ringo. We're all refreshed and challenged by your unique point of view.
ringo182 wrote:
Isso ,don't judge everyone by your own countries lack of cycling morals and talent.
Ah yes the personal attacks, the mark of the guy with absolutely zero arguments to rely on.
Also, playing the nationality card on the least nationalistic guy around = FAIL
ringo182 wrote:
If we are using childish playground language then i suppose that was a bit of a "burn" as well.
Nope, just a desperate jab. But hey, I can do childish personal attacks too, if you're that desperate for me to stoop as low as you. I'll try to put them in all the rest of this post just so you can feel all warm and fuzzy inside that I did something you asked. Here we go:
I dont know what your problem is, but im sure its something difficult to pronounce. See? It's not hard.
mb2612 wrote:
You spent a while arguing with me about Barloworld as well.
Ah yes thanks, didn't remember that 
Good old team manager Claudio Corti has of course also been named in two separate doping rings since.
ringo182 wrote:
Isso will argue about anything, which means that by law of averages alot of his arguments will come true.
Then it must be really easy for you to name one that didn't.
ringo182 wrote:
The other ones he conviniently forgets about and seeing as no-one else can be bothered to trawl through the archives to point these out they get forgotten.
The total list of people/teams he's accused of doping would probably run onto 2 pages but he doesn't mention any of them supprisingly.
Ah yes, the "I can't be bothered to look for an actual example but it totally happened you guys" argument. That's not cliché and transparent at all
ringo182 wrote:Shame he couldn't predict it in riders from his own country though
Yep, because Liberty Seguros and LA MSS must've turned out to be spanish teams or something, so my constant statements that their doping was beyond the pale become irrelevant.
Don't worry, I don't expect you to remember me arguing against fans of those teams. After all, there were no british riders in them, so they must be irrelevant!
ringo182 wrote:
You'll never win an argument with Isso simply because you have a life and so can't dedicate your whole life to reading every single post/article about the subject, cherry pick the info that supports your own view and then write a pompous 1000 word essay that no one will ever read and so ends the argument.
Teach me how to be cool like you!
ringo182 wrote:
I'm off to watch Wiggins win the tour. Might not have time to continue this discussion, my life away from this message board might get in the way though i guess thats not an issue from you.
Yeah writing all that twilight fanfic really cuts on your free time.
Did you seriously just play the "I'm too awesome to talk to you because I have a life and arbitrarily decide you must not have one" card? Are you always this stupid or are you just making a special effort today?
ringo182 wrote:
If you spent as much time riding a bike rather then correcting someones comment about who won a random stage of the tour of Norway 8 years ago you might be riding at this tour Isso.
Its amazing how much hyperbole you have to resort to to try to sound like you have a point. How old are you? Five?
No wait, forget i asked. You cant possibly be old enough to know how to count that high.
I spend barely any time riding a bike, actually. Too busy having a day job that makes me travel around the world (I'm in Lexington, Ohio right now, by the way), and my free time racing karts and qualifying for next year's european KZ2 championship. That and having just moved in with the girlfriend. We can't all do something as cool as ride bikes and post inane videos on youtube showing how much we improved our time trial position like you do.
Sorry if that doesn't hold up to your standard of "life". I'm sure your daytime "job" as an unemployed teacher is much more gratifying than my daytime job as a consultant for a software firm
But I wouldn't want this discussion to carry on and keep you away from your Battlefield gaming. Keep going, you're almost at 70hours this month, at this rate I'm sure you can beat 300 hours for the total of the month of july.
On that note, next time try to pick a nickname that's already used by a bunch of people, like I did. That way it's impossible for anyone to find out anything about you since it's all mixed in with the interests and information of about 5 different people who all use the same nickname.
The way you currently have it, you're the easiest guy in the world to research, Adrian. Oops sorry, I shouldn't have used your real name.
KEEP DIGGING GIRL. Bye
(PS: You got me to actually talk about my personal life. Well done, I don't think anybody on this forum's actually done that before! It took a special blend of stupid and irrational to do that)
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 08-07-2012 11:37
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issoisso wrote:
Oh goodie. I see ringo has set aside this special time to humiliate himself in public once again. Thank you ringo. We're all refreshed and challenged by your unique point of view.
ringo182 wrote:
Isso ,don't judge everyone by your own countries lack of cycling morals and talent.
Ah yes the personal attacks, the mark of the guy with absolutely zero arguments to rely on.
Also, playing the nationality card on the least nationalistic guy around = FAIL
ringo182 wrote:
If we are using childish playground language then i suppose that was a bit of a "burn" as well.
Nope, just a desperate jab. But hey, I can do childish personal attacks too, if you're that desperate for me to stoop as low as you. I'll try to put them in all the rest of this post just so you can feel all warm and fuzzy inside that I did something you asked. Here we go:
I dont know what your problem is, but im sure its something difficult to pronounce. See? It's not hard.
mb2612 wrote:
You spent a while arguing with me about Barloworld as well.
Ah yes thanks, didn't remember that
Good old team manager Claudio Corti has of course also been named in two separate doping rings since.
ringo182 wrote:
Isso will argue about anything, which means that by law of averages alot of his arguments will come true.
Then it must be really easy for you to name one that didn't.
ringo182 wrote:
The other ones he conviniently forgets about and seeing as no-one else can be bothered to trawl through the archives to point these out they get forgotten.
The total list of people/teams he's accused of doping would probably run onto 2 pages but he doesn't mention any of them supprisingly.
Ah yes, the "I can't be bothered to look for an actual example but it totally happened you guys" argument. That's not cliché and transparent at all
ringo182 wrote:Shame he couldn't predict it in riders from his own country though
Yep, because Liberty Seguros and LA MSS must've turned out to be spanish teams or something, so my constant statements that their doping was beyond the pale become irrelevant.
Don't worry, I don't expect you to remember me arguing against fans of those teams. After all, there were no british riders in them, so they must be irrelevant!
ringo182 wrote:
You'll never win an argument with Isso simply because you have a life and so can't dedicate your whole life to reading every single post/article about the subject, cherry pick the info that supports your own view and then write a pompous 1000 word essay that no one will ever read and so ends the argument.
Teach me how to be cool like you!
ringo182 wrote:
I'm off to watch Wiggins win the tour. Might not have time to continue this discussion, my life away from this message board might get in the way though i guess thats not an issue from you.
Yeah writing all that twilight fanfic really cuts on your free time.
Did you seriously just play the "I'm too awesome to talk to you because I have a life and arbitrarily decide you must not have one" card? Are you always this stupid or are you just making a special effort today?
ringo182 wrote:
If you spent as much time riding a bike rather then correcting someones comment about who won a random stage of the tour of Norway 8 years ago you might be riding at this tour Isso.
Its amazing how much hyperbole you have to resort to to try to sound like you have a point. How old are you? Five?
No wait, forget i asked. You cant possibly be old enough to know how to count that high.
I spend barely any time riding a bike, actually. Too busy having a day job that makes me travel around the world (I'm in Lexington, Ohio right now, by the way), and my free time racing karts and qualifying for next year's european KZ2 championship. That and having just moved in with the girlfriend. We can't all do something as cool as ride bikes and post inane videos on youtube showing how much we improved our time trial position like you do.
Sorry if that doesn't hold up to your standard of "life". I'm sure your daytime "job" as an unemployed teacher is much more gratifying than my daytime job as a consultant for a software firm
But I wouldn't want this discussion to carry on and keep you away from your Battlefield gaming. Keep going, you're almost at 70hours this month, at this rate I'm sure you can beat 300 hours for the total of the month of july.
On that note, next time try to pick a nickname that's already used by a bunch of people, like I did. That way it's impossible for anyone to find out anything about you since it's all mixed in with the interests and information of about 5 different people who all use the same nickname.
The way you currently have it, you're the easiest guy in the world to research, Adrian. Oops sorry, I shouldn't have used your real name.
KEEP DIGGING GIRL. Bye
(PS: You got me to actually talk about my personal life. Well done, I don't think anybody on this forum's actually done that before! It took a special blend of stupid and irrational to do that)
Didn't read a word of this.
I think my point has been proved though. Do you have alerts to inform you of a new post or do you really sit on this message board 24/7?
Ringo = Watches cycling/ makes throw away comment on cycling message board/ end of story
Isso = Sees comment/ sees opportunity to make himself look good/ looks at calender and sees he's got nothing planned other then sitting in his room in his dressing gown for the next few days/ trawls through every comment in past 6 weeks to try to support his view/ breaks down original post by quoting every single line independantly with supporting data and quotes/ writes 1000 word essay which no one will read/ looks for another post and repeats circle over and over and over again.
I would say i look forward to your response but i know it will be so long that no one will read it. |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 08-07-2012 11:38
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CountArach wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
You'll never win an argument with Isso simply because you have a life and so can't dedicate your whole life to reading every single post/article about the subject, cherry pick the info that supports your own view and then write a pompous 1000 word essay that no one will ever read and so ends the argument.
You are simultaneously dismissing his arguments and acknowledging his greater knowledge of the subject area.
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Posted on 08-07-2012 11:43
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ringo182 wrote:
CountArach wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
You'll never win an argument with Isso simply because you have a life and so can't dedicate your whole life to reading every single post/article about the subject, cherry pick the info that supports your own view and then write a pompous 1000 word essay that no one will ever read and so ends the argument.
You are simultaneously dismissing his arguments and acknowledging his greater knowledge of the subject area.
Please explain.
You say that he is cherrypicking information, but are simultaneously unwilling to read the exact same information that he is reading and then post up the counter arguments (which you have not proven even exist thanks to your unwillingness to read the material). It is making a huge presumption about what may be there without pproving it. At the same time it completely acknowledges that he has read this material and thus has a greater knowledge of the field.
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Posted on 08-07-2012 11:52
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I'm fairly new to this board, but I think that Isso and Aquarius speak a lot of sense, especially when it comes to talk about doping. There is an excellent article in the current Cycle Sport, written by Ed Pickering, who goes into why he thinks that Armstrong was a doper. It used the same arguments that I'd seen here recently; it was spooky to see how similar it was.
I'm happy to read 'a 1000 word post'. From what I've seen they are worth reading. What makes a 20 word post better? If someone can reason and put forward facts then I'm the one who benefits as they are teaching me something.
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Posted on 08-07-2012 11:54
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Posted on 08-07-2012 11:59
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solano wrote:
I'm fairly new to this board, but I think that Isso and Aquarius speak a lot of sense, especially when it comes to talk about doping. There is an excellent article in the current Cycle Sport, written by Ed Pickering, who goes into why he thinks that Armstrong was a doper. It used the same arguments that I'd seen here recently; it was spooky to see how similar it was.
I'm happy to read 'a 1000 word post'. From what I've seen they are worth reading. What makes a 20 word post better? If someone can reason and put forward facts then I'm the one who benefits as they are teaching me something.
I will happily keep reading such posts.
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Posted on 08-07-2012 12:01
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Hmm..
Well i just watched the stage a few hours ago and it's worrying to see that Sky could decimate the peloton like that on a 6km climb. Already the only riders capable of winning are Wiggins, Evans, Nibali, Taaramae? and maybe a rider like VDB or Menchov if they put in a couple of risky attacks.
And alos, did VDB puncture or something? He's looks in good form and to loose as much time as he did I found a bit weird.
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Eden95 wrote:
Hmm..
Well i just watched the stage a few hours ago and it's worrying to see that Sky could decimate the peloton like that on a 6km climb. Already the only riders capable of winning are Wiggins, Evans, Nibali, Taaramae? and maybe a rider like VDB or Menchov if they put in a couple of risky attacks.
And alos, did VDB puncture or something? He's looks in good form and to loose as much time as he did I found a bit weird.
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Posted on 08-07-2012 12:48
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Aquarius wrote:
solano wrote:
I'm fairly new to this board, but I think that Isso and Aquarius speak a lot of sense, especially when it comes to talk about doping. There is an excellent article in the current Cycle Sport, written by Ed Pickering, who goes into why he thinks that Armstrong was a doper. It used the same arguments that I'd seen here recently; it was spooky to see how similar it was.
I'm happy to read 'a 1000 word post'. From what I've seen they are worth reading. What makes a 20 word post better? If someone can reason and put forward facts then I'm the one who benefits as they are teaching me something.
I will happily keep reading such posts.
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Posted on 08-07-2012 12:51
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Erm, no. I don't read cycling newspaper (lack of time, and say, of interest), and it's a bit complicated to get access to foreign publications.
However, if the arguments used are the same we use here, let's say I'm aware of the substance of the article. Don't hesitate to post any new element, though. |
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Posted on 08-07-2012 13:03
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Same for me. I may read a few cycling websites once a week or so if I'm bored, but aside from that I mostly switched off cycling when I graduated a couple of years ago (as seen by the fact that I stopped showing up here aside from the occasional big race like the Giro, the Worlds or the Tour)
But apparently, having this amazing superpower called "normal human memory" that allows me to remember what I read and recite it when it's relevant in a discussion turns out to be - according to some people - is not possible and the only way I can do that is to spend every waking hour researching cycling.
I can only imagine what kind of goldfish memory a person has to have to think that of me. The truth is I'm soooooo into cycling that even just a few minutes ago when I turned on the stream to watch the stage (it's not on TV here ) I saw Gallopin riding in a Radioshack kit and thought "He left Cofidis? I didn't know that".
But hey, guys like us must spend every waking hour researching cycling, eh Aqua? That's the only way we can actually know these amazing things we know that totally aren't plastered all over the media
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Posted on 08-07-2012 13:25
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issoisso wrote:
But hey, guys like us must spend every waking hour researching cycling, eh Aqua? That's the only way we can actually know these amazing things we know that totally aren't plastered all over the media
It's a shame you guys can`t share your "who is and who`s not" doping masterminds on a grander stage. Also your analysis of riders personality without ever having met them(Moncoutie) is quite fascinating. |
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Posted on 08-07-2012 13:33
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Goldberger wrote:
issoisso wrote:
But hey, guys like us must spend every waking hour researching cycling, eh Aqua? That's the only way we can actually know these amazing things we know that totally aren't plastered all over the media
It's a shame you guys can`t share your "who is and who`s not" doping masterminds on a grander stage. Also your analysis of riders personality without ever having met them(Moncoutie) is quite fascinating.
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It's just a feeling I get. I obviously don't know him in person, but he strikes me from his behaviour as being dumber than a brick and not exactly friendly
Again, I don't know him in person so this is just an impression that might be completely wrong.
You should read the whole post. 
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