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Ideas for 2012
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 27-08-2012 14:58
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kumazan wrote:
I for one wouldn't like to have a limit of screenshots whatever the category of the race I'm reporting, I enjoy doing it, so the effort isn't really an issue. 
Couldn't agree more. Thanks for sparing me the time to write the same thing. 
I also think that CountArach has some great points.
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| roturn |
Posted on 27-08-2012 14:58
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CountArach wrote:
Here is my thought pattern: every single manager gets (theoretically) equal enjoyment out of seeing their team racing. As such even for the smallest teams who don't necessarily win a lot of races (Meiji, etc) it is worth watching them in breaks because that is what their team is about. Just as in real life wildcard teams will attack to get their name out there. So no only do longer reports allow everyone to feel like they are a part of the game but it also reflects a more real life reporting situation.
Totally agree. I remember a D2 race I reported. One of the Armavia guys fought a lot (before Burlutsky made them a bit successful ^^).
So I made 4-5 screenshots just to show him fighting with 3-4 better riders, falling back, fighting back, falling back and fighting back again although he was caught by the peloton later and just finished ~20th or so on a hard hilly stage.
But I really enjoyed reporting this one and I guess Bjartne also enjoyed this report. |
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 27-08-2012 15:21
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CountArach wrote:
I get the feeling that my reports are largely the ones in question here - very long and detailed even for D2/C1 races. I feel no obligation to do this and don't ever want to shorten them unless there is nothing happening in the stage.
Let me be very clear - my comments are not directed at any one specifically and are not meant to be critical.
It's re-assuring to read we have such a dedicated bunch of reporters. Here's a dancing banana for you all.  |
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| tyriion |
Posted on 05-09-2012 13:38
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Hi all,
As the season progressed and my experience in this particular game (hopefully) grew, I got an idea. I'll explain using an example from my own team.
My sprinter Menno Horst has been performing very bad this year. Might be me, might be he's not good enough, but I expected more from him. Only explanation I could come up with is this. His form was bad in races. And I don't mean the daily form, but the form he starts the race with.
As far as I know the game sets the form for each rider at the start of a race. Say if you ride the Tour your rider gets 92 form and will have that for all 21 stages, only influenced by daily form. I've tested this a bit, and it even seems that it sets it the same every time you start the race. Klöden always had 97, while Cavendish was stuck with 89.
As season planning is quite a big part of the actual game I feel there should be something you could do about this. My idea roughly involves setting the form you want your rider to have during a certain race you sign him up for. There'd be limitations of course, but I guess it should be possible to set the form for all riders using an editor.
So to continue my Horst example, he raced the Tour de Maroc and did badly. I would set his form to 95 (95 being the max so daily form can have maximum impact both ways) as this tour was his chance for most victories. I would have two races with 90 form left and the others would be 87 or something.
The system for actual numbers used would have to be thought through by someone with more experience. There could for example also be training for domestiques. These wouldn't get a 95 peak, but 4x 92 for example to better do their job. Think there's quite a bit of tactical advantage to be gained with a system like this.
The only thing I don't know is if this would be too much work for the people who ride the races. I haven't reported any races, so don't know about everything that's involved.
Let me know
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| kumazan |
Posted on 05-09-2012 13:47
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Sorry to say, but the answer is that Horst is not good enough.
Random fitness is turned off in all MG races, so it doesn't affect the result at all.
Edit: As for your idea, it would take so much work it wouldn't be worth it, imo.
Edited by kumazan on 05-09-2012 13:49
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 05-09-2012 13:54
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Form peaks would be interesting but I would expect that it would take so much effort as to make it a backward step. It's random enough with normal fitness. |
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| CountArach |
Posted on 05-09-2012 14:31
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Yeah form would take ages to set up I'm sure. But yes random fitness is turned off so everyone has 89.
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 05-09-2012 19:06
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I have investigated whether it would work in game - but the game just doesnt allow it in single player mode. It would actually be easy to if done by month rather than race but that setting is only for careers.
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| Bjartne |
Posted on 06-09-2012 14:33
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roturn wrote:
Totally agree. I remember a D2 race I reported. One of the Armavia guys fought a lot (before Burlutsky made them a bit successful ^^).
So I made 4-5 screenshots just to show him fighting with 3-4 better riders, falling back, fighting back, falling back and fighting back again although he was caught by the peloton later and just finished ~20th or so on a hard hilly stage.
But I really enjoyed reporting this one and I guess Bjartne also enjoyed this report.
Totally correct mate 
I guess that's the man-game is all about for us who manage smaller teams within this game with no chance to fight for success in the biggest races. To get the feeling that we are an important piece of the game. Every stage and every race needs breakaway teams and underdogs to make it more realistic and interresting. Of course, breakaways is a pain in the ass if you are a huge contender to the victory, but great news for the rubbish teams! |
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| jt1109 |
Posted on 08-09-2012 13:58
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Agreed in mountain stages this year i have been looking for my guys in every break and thrilled when they complete wonderful rides as Charles Dionne did this year winning by 6 mins from a break the thrill isn't matched with Haddou sprint wins. |
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| Vien |
Posted on 27-09-2012 14:53
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I'm currently browsing through the topics a bit because I'm preparing for an application (yeah, I really, really don't want to miss out next season). I'm slightly worried about the possibilty to start with a team with a huge talent as leader (such as Kelderman, Moser IRL) as training costs and salaries seem to be booming once riders improve. Perhaps a "high team identity" feature could make it easier to extend contracts when a rider feels "happy" at the team, aka has had a lot of success and can stay leader instad of helper at a top team?
I'm sorry if this is already the case, then I simply should've spent more time searching for it.
I also came up with the idea of streaming races instead of writing reports at the PMG, but since this topic has 26 pages, someone must've opted it before.
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| roturn |
Posted on 27-09-2012 15:07
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The application thread will be opened by SN to a later date. But obviously not that far later as the season is almost over.
What do you mean by streaming?
Make videos of the stage on youtube? SN did this for some Tour de France stages.
Also we had some kind of Twitter live ticker in the first season races. |
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| Vien |
Posted on 27-09-2012 15:13
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By streaming I mean broadcasting races live on streaming sites such as twitch.tv, ustream.tv and justin.tv. It's like watching a video, but then live, with a chat. It's possible to record and stream at the same time for people who can't be there so they can watch it later. I know it's not interesting to do it for all stages, but if you can do specific stages (such as TdF mountain stages or the bigger classics) on, let's say, Saturday night, it could be fun imo.
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| CountArach |
Posted on 27-09-2012 15:22
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That would be much slower and personally I wouldn't be able to report races or have the time to watch it. A great idea but potentially impractical.
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 27-09-2012 15:24
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I'm preparing to apply back into the Man-Game, and to be honest, I'm not sure how well a streaming idea would work. If you went all out, and did commentary and what not, then maybe, but go and pull some PCM videos up on youtube sometime. They really aren't that interesting.
Also, if someone were to try and go overboard, and do it with full commentary and what not, there'd be English worries with some of the non-native speaking reporters. You can be perfectly fluent in English and very difficult to understand accent-wise. |
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| Vien |
Posted on 27-09-2012 15:37
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I don't really see how commentary is necessary. I think the key in this would be a lively chat. I don't think it'd take too much longer for reporters because you have to do the race anyway (and really boring parts can still be simmed).
I also don't think it'd be too boring to watch unless you don't have a participating team. But I guess that's the same as with reported races?
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| CountArach |
Posted on 27-09-2012 15:43
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If you have a 7 stage race but wanted to do it live you would have to organise racing this only at times convenient for everyone. I personally play this game at all sorts of odd hours and I'm sure I'm not the only one. If I could only play it between certain hours it would take me a fortnight to report a 7 stage race. That slows everything down. And if you want a lively chat during it then you really need other people to be watching at the same time. That's why it would take longer.
Also I'm on the other side of the world. Convenient times for me are never convenient for other people.
Also also nothing is simmed.
Edited by CountArach on 27-09-2012 15:44
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| roturn |
Posted on 27-09-2012 15:46
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I think if someone wants to make videos, he can still upload them whereever he wants. But the live stuff won`t work.
Many races are played way before they actually need to be reported. So a steady progress is secured. If you would do all the live stuff, this would slow down a lot as CountArach said.
Additional videos or twitter live ticker, just when the reporter has the time are a nice addition but these live streaming is unnecessary imo.
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 27-09-2012 15:54
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I'm against the idea of streaming races as well.
Too much work and, in my opinion, much less interesting than reports. Watching a long video from the race is just boring.
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| Vien |
Posted on 27-09-2012 15:56
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I'm not talking about streaming tours, only one or two key stages and some classics. Yes they have to fit in, but I'm sure it'd be convenient a few times a season - more would be too much indeed, And with simmed I mean x8.
Another option would simply be broadcasting premade videos at a set time, so that a lot of people would watch it at the same time.
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