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Alberto Contador Positive
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| Ste117 |
Posted on 15-02-2011 20:53
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Spanish Prime Minister opens his mouth and Contador's ban gets uplifted, coincendence or what, won't put it past the government getting involved.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 15-02-2011 20:53
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Roman wrote:
I really, really don't get it. How Contador can be cleared of any doping? I have nothing to add.. I only hope WADA will take this case to CAS and they'll take the decision, fair decision.. Simple : UCI posted their letter to Contador too late (or didn't post it at all ? unsure), so Contador couldn't prepare his defence. That's a technicality, so he's now cleared from all charges. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 15-02-2011 20:56
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According to UCI rules, they don't have to.
Notice
357. Notice to a License-Holder may be accomplished by delivery of the notice to his National Federation
or as provided by these Anti-Doping Rules. The National Federation shall be responsible for making
immediate contact with the License-Holder.
https://inrng.com/?p=1012
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 15-02-2011 20:58
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Ste117 wrote:
Spanish Prime Minister opens his mouth and Contador's ban gets uplifted, coincendence or what, won't put it past the government getting involved. Read what kumazan said yesterday, you might as well change "federations" with "institutions" to get a better idea of what it is.
Starting with Barcelona's O.G. in 1992, Spain decided to shine on the international scale through sports. At all costs.
They're doping their teenage sportsmen and women, which they didn't do before. Even though it's bad for health, some of them will still make it through, that's how you get some strange deaths, as well as winning teams and individuals in most sports where doping can help (which is most sports, more or less).
Other countries aren't necessarily cleaner, but it's not a national policy there (it was in the Eastern block, to some extent it might still be in some countries).
In such circumstances, how could the Prime Minister not claim Contador should be cleared, and how could Contador not be cleared ?  |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 15-02-2011 21:02
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CrueTrue wrote:
According to UCI rules, they don't have to.
Notice
357. Notice to a License-Holder may be accomplished by delivery of the notice to his National Federation
or as provided by these Anti-Doping Rules. The National Federation shall be responsible for making
immediate contact with the License-Holder.
https://inrng.com/?p=1012
Ok, I read L'Equipe again. UCI sent a letter about Contador to the Spanish Federation (RFEC) on the 8th November 2010. But the RFEC conveniently, erm, I mean accidentally, neglected to forward it to Contador on time. Which is a technicality.
What kind of non-intentional blunder is this ? |
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| Roman |
Posted on 15-02-2011 21:09
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Aquarius wrote:
Simple : UCI posted their letter to Contador too late (or didn't post it at all ? unsure), so Contador couldn't prepare his defence. That's a technicality, so he's now cleared from all charges.
 . So, if it is ok to have a positive test for clenbuterol now, can I have positive test for EPO or CERA too? I think doping is legalised right now! 
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| DJP19 |
Posted on 15-02-2011 21:28
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Contador in the DB  YAH!!!!!! - insert sarcastic voice here |
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| Wilier |
Posted on 15-02-2011 22:23
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CrueTrue wrote:
Riis says that he expects Contador to take part in tomorrow's Algarve.
Wow. Hurray for the organisers of the Volta ao Algarve.
Seriously. I hate it when people who are supposed to be banned take part in races.  |
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| p3druh |
Posted on 15-02-2011 22:27
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Wilier wrote:Hurray for the organisers of the Volta ao Algarve.
Hum...I don't get it.
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| Wilier |
Posted on 15-02-2011 22:35
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p3druh wrote:
Wilier wrote:Hurray for the organisers of the Volta ao Algarve.
Hum...I don't get it.
I mean that judging from their site they seem to be quite happy Contador is riding.
Like Aquarius said: If race organisers don't help, cycling is never going to solve its problems. |
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| p3druh |
Posted on 15-02-2011 22:44
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Wilier wrote:
p3druh wrote:
Wilier wrote:Hurray for the organisers of the Volta ao Algarve.
Hum...I don't get it.
I mean that judging from their site they seem to be quite happy Contador is riding.
Like Aquarius said: If race organisers don't help, cycling is never going to solve its problems.
Quite happy? They have a picture of him and a caption that says "Alberto Contador confirmed in the Volta ao Algarve". Not exactly a big article on how awesome he is and what not. Business wise, of course they would be happy. They barely have the means to maintain the level the race has and now they get the news that the most mediatic rider in the world, winner of the last two editions of the race and, right now, the guy everyone will be watching because of this whole mess will participate at their race.
I understand your point but what do you expect the organizers of any small race to do? Say no the money and ban him from the competition? On what grounds would they even be allowed to do that (given that the team had already been given an invitation)?
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| CountArach |
Posted on 16-02-2011 06:40
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Utterly spineless decision. Complete crap. |
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| jacknic |
Posted on 16-02-2011 08:04
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Wilier wrote:
p3druh wrote:
Wilier wrote:Hurray for the organisers of the Volta ao Algarve.
Hum...I don't get it.
I mean that judging from their site they seem to be quite happy Contador is riding.
Like Aquarius said: If race organisers don't help, cycling is never going to solve its problems.
There is just no way the race oraganisers should ever exclude a rider based on doping speculations. If a rider is cleared he should be free to race. The organisers can not be held resposible for faulty courts and regulations in the sport.
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| Wilier |
Posted on 16-02-2011 08:21
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It's true Contador is cleared. But he was cleared by the RFEC, which has little credibility left if you ask me. There's a very big chance WADA and/or UCI will appeal to CAS and he will be banned again.
Like I said before. He's supposed to be banned, but he can ride and win races. Afterwards you can erase his results, because he gets banned. But he has still ridden the races.
@p3druh
I understand your point, but I think there are lots of other quality riders they can try to attract to their race. It would be worse for them if Contador wins it and then get banned afterwards. |
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| p3druh |
Posted on 16-02-2011 08:31
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I don't agree. Look at Valverde. Tour Mediteraneen didn't get a bad rep because of him. Big races get a big impact, smaller ones not so much, i don't think. Also, like I said, I don't think they could even stop him for entering the race if they wanted given that the team already had an invitation.
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 16-02-2011 10:26
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I agree. There's not really anything that Algarve can do about this.
Even if we go down this path of race organizers denying access for certain riders, it has to be races that the riders care about -- e.g. the Tour, Giro and Vuelta. |
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| jack888 |
Posted on 16-02-2011 10:51
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We should of known they would reverse the decision, they never had the balls to suspend him and they never will. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 16-02-2011 10:55
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I really can't make a big deal out of this one. If it was EPO or CERA maybe, but 0.xxxxxxx picograms..meh |
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| jacknic |
Posted on 16-02-2011 10:57
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Yeah but what are the criteria the organisers should look at? A positive test, rumors, a hunch, bad reputation?
If the race organisers start banning riders on their own, contrary the rulings of cyclings governing bodies, what is the point of even having doping cases tried in court?
Flawed or not, there are rules and systems in effect, that are designed to try doping cases and dish out suspensions. Race organisers should never be able to act as judge and jury imo.
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| Roman |
Posted on 16-02-2011 11:23
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He had a positive test. He had more clenbuterol in his body than it is allowed. He said some fairy tales about poisoning from food and we say, oh Bertie then everything is ok, anyway it was a small drop of nothing.. Huh what? Rules are rules. Maximum number of clenbuterol in you body is 0,0000000000000000...0 Contador had more than this. And every rider is responsible for his own body. Contador should be banned. For example, Tom Zirbel got 2 years ban for what? DHEA? That thing adds you nothing to your effort, right?
And Ruben, if it is ok to have a small piece o clebuterol in your body, can I have a small piece of EPO or CERA in my body too then?
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