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t-baum
that was great driving, cool at the end hamilton showing some emotion

and yeah the ferrari guys were fucking funny
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Macquet wrote:

"We all know that wasn't the real footage of the Worlds anyway. That was just the staged footage to perpetuate the coverup that it was actually Vinokourov that won the race."
 
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Aquarius
Glock's last laps were about as fast as Trulli's one. Trulli also kept his dry tyres, so it can hardly be implied that Glock slowed down on purpose.

Better have Hamilton than Massa champion, but still, both did many blunders this season, they don't really look like the greatest champions ever.

I'm looking forward to next season, slick tyres and half less aerodynamic grip, should give more overtaking.
 
Jaap90
Nobody can be an greater champion than Michael Schumacher.
 
issoisso
Aquarius wrote:
Glock's last laps were about as fast as Trulli's one. Trulli also kept his dry tyres, so it can hardly be implied that Glock slowed down on purpose.


Actually, Glock was even faster than Trulli. He did not slow down at all.


Aquarius wrote:
Better have Hamilton than Massa champion, but still, both did many blunders this season, they don't really look like the greatest champions ever.


They made as many mistakes as any other champion. The only reason people still say Massa isn't worthy is the same as always: he wasn't hailed as a "prodigy", so it's not "cool", so it doesn't "feel right".

Fact is, any of those two deserves this year's title as much as any other previous champion deserves his, regardless of how right or wrong it feels to any fan.
 
Aquarius
Not all champions did as many blunders as those two did when they became champions.

Massa :
- awkward overtaking on Coulthard in Australia
- in trouble then out of the track in Malaysia because of the lack of driving assistance this season
- fast when leading a race but very average when driving in a bunch (Canada, Italy, Singapour, Japan)
- stupid moves on drivers who're not in the same race as him (Bourdais in Japan, Sutil twice at least, Webber, etc.)
- quite a weak driver in rainy conditions : Monaco (went straight in the first corner), Silverstone (6 or 7 spin-offs), Monza, etc.
- not his fault but still : Ferrari fvcked his pit stops several times this season
- his head is also getting bigger than his talent "best moment of my race in China was when I managed to overtake Kimi" yeah well, it's not even second degree...

Hamilton did less blunders, but still, he drove too recklessly (not to say stupidly) several times : Canada, France, Japan.
I won't mention his ego either, but surely it's one of the biggest in the paddock.

It's better that Hamilton was champion this season, even though I hate Ron Dennis.
Kubica could still be champion (with loads of luck) before the start in China. His car has had lousy performances since this Summer (they almost stopped developing it to focus on the 2009 one).

Don't get me wrong, it was more thrilling that way than Schumacher 2004, but there's no way Massa or Hamilton drove like "killer" champions this season. Both of them together got only 4 or 5 fastest lap in race. I don't have Alonso, Schumacher or Hakkinen figures here, but in my memory they were more impressive as champions.
 
issoisso
I won't be bothered to look up each season individually, but apart from Schumacher's insane 2004 season, pretty much everyone made the same number of mistakes.

Hakkinen especially had the most immensely superior car F1 has seen since the 1978 Lotus 79, and made a complete mess of it race after race after race.

He even ran off the road into the bushes crying at Monza after he screwed up for the Nth consecutive time...
 
ruben
Yeah I remember that. He screwed so bad that even Eddie Irvine had a shot at the world title. Hilarious that was.

For me personally, I have nearly stopped watching F1 alltogether since MS is gone...
 
Aquarius
Well, I didn't watch much of 1998, 1999 and 2000 and missed much of 2002 and 2003 because of cycling races taking place on Sunday afternoons.
True about Hakkinen after a quick check.

Villeneuve's 1997 Williams was also very superior to anything else, btw.
 
Rin
CrueTrue wrote:
3:40 into the video. Ferrari celebrating until they realize that they didn't win. It's priceless (yes, even for Ferrari fans).


You are so bad Crue XD

I would like to post that in a formula 1 forum in Germany but then I would have to hide because some Ferrari Fans would chop my head off (It remembered me of the VISA card commercial somehow)

Jaap90 wrote:
Nobody can be an greater champion than Michael Schumacher.


In which way?

issoisso wrote:
I won't be bothered to look up each season individually, but apart from Schumacher's insane 2004 season, pretty much everyone made the same number of mistakes.

Hakkinen especially had the most immensely superior car F1 has seen since the 1978 Lotus 79, and made a complete mess of it race after race after race.

He even ran off the road into the bushes crying at Monza after he screwed up for the Nth consecutive time...


The McLaren 1999 wasn´t soo strong , if Schumacher would have drove that season completely , he had win the championship , the Ferrari 1999 wasn´t so bad but with Irvine (not an exellent driver) and with 2 blown races away of Hakkinen (Imola and Monza , 2 times in Italy wow) and with a "FIA" that looked over Malaysia 1999 , Irvine could have a chance 1999 (funny , if Schumacher let Irvine overtook , Irvine would be champion and Irvine would be the first Ferrari World Champion since ????)

Aquarius wrote:
Well, I didn't watch much of 1998, 1999 and 2000 and missed much of 2002 and 2003 because of cycling races taking place on Sunday afternoons.
True about Hakkinen after a quick check.

Villeneuve's 1997 Williams was also very superior to anything else, btw.


So superior that Ferrari had a chance in Jerez (also with some FIA interactions , Villeneuve Suzuka Case)?

I hope you mean 1996... Wink And Hill was there so I close a circle , Hamilton the first UK world champion after Hill 1996.. Wink
 
Aquarius
Alonso and Piquet Jr as Renault drivers next season, whereas Grosjean becomes 3rd driver instead of Di Grassi.

Non-sense I tell you. There's easily one or two dozens of available drivers better than Piquet, but they don't have a bankable surname...
Di Grassi was better than Grosjean in GP2 and provided a good technical feedback. Grosjean is fast but more reckless, and I don't know what he's worth technically-wise.

So, there remains only one seat left at Honda (Barichello ? Senna ? Di Grassi ?) and two at Toro Rosso (Buemi ? Bourdais ? Senna ? Sato ?).
 
issoisso

(...)
I understand that the tyre compounds are a bit harder than they were last year, which was far be less helpful to the Ferrari and its tendency to be more gentle on its rubber.

The FIA instructed the Bridgestone people to take this approach because on this day they didn't want a repeat of the tyre failures already experienced in the past by McLaren.

How ironic that Ferrari should be penalised because of a shortcoming in the McLaren.
(...)


 
Aquarius
Tyres have been a pain in the ass this year anyway. As soon as the conditions changed (rain, etc.) we saw "lousy" team mates suddently becoming as good or better than their first driver.
Some drivers really didn't manage to get the tyres on temperature (especially the softer ones) and thus screw their qualifying sessions.
I know Bourdais always complained about the soft tyres, Raikkonen against Massa is an example (I doubt Kimi lacked motivation, once the tyres were on temperature he was the fastest man on track) and Heidfeld is another one, like Webber vs Coulthard.
Agressives styles of driving were clearly favoured by those harder tyres. Not a good thing IMO. I find it better when the riders saving their fuel and tyres the more can attack later in the race because they managed not to destroy the material.

Let's hope slick tyres will change that and be more constant next season. If it's case, suddenly people will go around saying Raikkonen is motivated again, that Bourdais became good (if he's still there), Heidfeld too, whereas Kubica and Massa lost motivation after their good 2008 seasons. *yawn*

At least when there were two tyres manufacturers, they needed to bring softer rubbers to get more performance (and less reliability, thus favouring the ones who didn't destroy their tyres).
 
issoisso
Aquarius wrote:
Tyres have been a pain in the ass this year anyway. As soon as the conditions changed (rain, etc.) we saw "lousy" team mates suddently becoming as good or better than their first driver.
Some drivers really didn't manage to get the tyres on temperature (especially the softer ones) and thus screw their qualifying sessions.
I know Bourdais always complained about the soft tyres, Raikkonen against Massa is an example (I doubt Kimi lacked motivation, once the tyres were on temperature he was the fastest man on track) and Heidfeld is another one, like Webber vs Coulthard.
Agressives styles of driving were clearly favoured by those harder tyres. Not a good thing IMO. I find it better when the riders saving their fuel and tyres the more can attack later in the race because they managed not to destroy the material.

Let's hope slick tyres will change that and be more constant next season. If it's case, suddenly people will go around saying Raikkonen is motivated again, that Bourdais became good (if he's still there), Heidfeld too, whereas Kubica and Massa lost motivation after their good 2008 seasons. *yawn*

At least when there were two tyres manufacturers, they needed to bring softer rubbers to get more performance (and less reliability, thus favouring the ones who didn't destroy their tyres).


Actually, it's the other way around, Raikkonen, Kubica, Hamilton and Alonso have some of the more aggressive driving styles, and their fortunes were very mixed.

While Massa, Fisichella and Button have the smoothest styles and their fortunes were also mixed.
 
Aquarius
When Vettel tested the Red Bull car in Jerez (last FP during the season), he surprised Red Bull's engineers by explaining them that his main concern in the car setup was to have the tyres working in the right temperature, much before the car balance and the aerodynamical grip related aspects.

Button was usually faster than Barrichello when you check their fastest lap in race, but often behind him in terms of final classification. A lot like Raikkonen vs Massa or Heidfeld vs Kubica. Tyres, tyres, tyres... (yes it's true Raikko is quite agressive with his car, my point was more about tyres than driving styles anyway)
 
only_one
I would like to see F1 without pit stops, that would make things much more interesting
 
issoisso
Aquarius wrote:
When Vettel tested the Red Bull car in Jerez (last FP during the season), he surprised Red Bull's engineers by explaining them that his main concern in the car setup was to have the tyres working in the right temperature, much before the car balance and the aerodynamical grip related aspects.

Button was usually faster than Barrichello when you check their fastest lap in race, but often behind him in terms of final classification. A lot like Raikkonen vs Massa or Heidfeld vs Kubica. Tyres, tyres, tyres... (yes it's true Raikko is quite agressive with his car, my point was more about tyres than driving styles anyway)


That's the basis of any car setup routine: getting the tyres to operate as close to optimum temperature as possible throughout the entire lap......it's the most basic thing about car setup
 
Aquarius
issoisso wrote:
That's the basis of any car setup routine: getting the tyres to operate as close to optimum temperature as possible throughout the entire lap......it's the most basic thing about car setup
Well, obviously that still surprised Red Bull Racing engineers when they had Vettel trying the car, so I don't know how Coulthard and Webber work(ed)...

only_one wrote:
I would like to see F1 without pit stops, that would make things much more interesting
Problem is that it's quite dangerous to have cars loaded with 200 kg of fuel in case they would crash and explose in the first part of the race.
Another aspect is that there are not much overtakings on track at the moment, if cars can't overtake in pits any more, either this will force cars to overtake on track, either there won't be overtakings at all. Wink
With the new points system it's better to bring the car to the finish line than to try a dangerous move, so here's your answer...
 
Rin
There were many overtakes when refueling was forbidden before 1994 , with no pitstops it would be better because then it´s more racing and more of driver skills and not because your car has very strange aerodynamics and a powerful motor and luck because of Safety Cars , I would like to see races are decided by driver skills and not because of better strategics , cars and luck like now but there will be a little change because of some forbidden aerodynamics , Slicks (so harder drivers like Alonso and Kubica will have definetly a little bonus)
 
Jaap90
I don't like races of highly 50 minutes.
 
mb2612
While I like the idea of no pit stops it feels like some races would be excedingly dull, at least with pitstops there is some tension about who is pitting when. Also I like the fact that the race can be turned upside down in a minute, although i dislike the saftey car closes the pitlane rule.
On the other hand no pitstops would mean no tire changes which would be insane if it started to rain.
 
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