Oh okay, then I just think he's clean
Everyone is, for that matter, in my opinion. Unless it's proven otherwise, of course. I might be dupable, but I'm no fool (used translate, does dupable make sense? I'm trying to say it's a bit naive, but not stupid-naive )
Edited by Ian Butler on 25-01-2013 09:58
Ian Butler wrote:
Oh okay, then I just think he's clean
Everyone is, for that matter, in my opinion. Unless it's proven otherwise, of course. I might be dupable, but I'm no fool (used translate, does dupable make sense? I'm trying to say it's a bit naive, but not stupid-naive )
Dupable is sort of "easily fooled". And I'm not really sure what would make a good substitute - naive is just what most people use to mean what you want to say.
Ian Butler wrote:
And I also think Rodriguez is clean.
Note I never said he was. Simply as far as I know there's nothing on him.
Sure he's been on several very dodgy teams as team leader, but so was Charly Mottet who was clean
There's also the fact that he has clearly improved his performances at an unusual late age when joining that one team whose doctor has been in prison for doping related issues, and that he's a great mate of PiEPOli, who I've read (but can't confirm) that is/has been his coach.
So, I have little faith on him, but definitely nothing that leads me to be convinced he's doping.
Yeah, the word I mean is yet to be invented. Because I'm not easily fooled or so. I just like to believe in every rider until there is reason otherwise. But I'm not naive to think everyone is clean, or if Voigt would win the Tour, I would strongly believe he doped, for example. Though with Voigt everything is possible
Ian Butler wrote:
Yeah, the word I mean is yet to be invented. Because I'm not easily fooled or so. I just like to believe in every rider until there is reason otherwise. But I'm not naive to think everyone is clean, or if Voigt would win the Tour, I would strongly believe he doped, for example. Though with Voigt everything is possible
issoisso wrote:
Does anyone have even the slightest shred of evidence on RodrÃguez?
Didn't think so.
Leave the guy alone unless something actually surfaces.
Strange that you say that, as maybe half of people you speak about related to doping is only speculations based on which team the riders were on, or results and similar circumstantial evidence, not actual facts and now it is bad when pointed on Rodriguez...but hey, i will leave him alone.
When?
I am not such a freak to go back hundreds of pages and topics to look for exact sentence (i will leave this too much work system of prooving someone wrong to you)
It was not much polite, but it was ment in a good manner afterall, i respect you much when it comes to cycling talk.
And yeah, i was insinuating on fact, that Purito was leader or important rider on teams like ONCE, Saunier, Caisse and Katusha - these are from A to Z dodgy teams like not much any others and recent results since he joined Katusha are also ringing the bells for me, but yeah, he is not guilty as there is no such a thing like direct evidence.
Ian Butler wrote:
And I also think Rodriguez is clean.
Note I never said he was. Simply as far as I know there's nothing on him.
Sure he's been on several very dodgy teams as team leader, but so was Charly Mottet who was clean
There's also the fact that he has clearly improved his performances at an unusual late age when joining that one team whose doctor has been in prison for doping related issues, and that he's a great mate of PiEPOli, who I've read (but can't confirm) that is/has been his coach.
So, I have little faith on him, but definitely nothing that leads me to be convinced he's doping.
That, plus look who are or have been his opponents : the likes of Valverde, Contador, Hesjedal, Froome, etc.
When your level is the one of doping or allegedly doping riders, that rings a bell. It's no direct evidence of course, but that can't be neglected.
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Ian Butler wrote:
Yeah, the word I mean is yet to be invented. Because I'm not easily fooled or so. I just like to believe in every rider until there is reason otherwise. But I'm not naive to think everyone is clean, or if Voigt would win the Tour, I would strongly believe he doped, for example.
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Ian Butler wrote:
You forgot to paste the: "with Voigt everything is possible " remark
When was this? I only started following cycling for real at the start of 2012
2007 Tour of Germany, MTF in Sölden iirc. Later Kohl, totally drunk, would say to Voigt that Team CSC should rather be called Team PFC. In vino veritas they say.
It was 2006 and 2007, when Voigt decided he was going to win the tour of germany so - according to Kohl - he used the extremely dangerous PFCs.
Which meant that for two years in a row he dropped Leipheimer - back then a Tour podium GC guy - Gesink, Cunego, etc in the mountains and then did the same in the TT (winning by over a minute, oh lulz). This from an 80kg flat rider.
Totally believable. Yessir.
Anyway, way more damning is not just Kohl talking about Voigt's PFC use, but Jäksche talking about his discussion with Voigt about where Voigt's team were hiding their drugs.
Voigt's excuse is....get this....that he was only joking. Right.
Edited by issoisso on 25-01-2013 19:15
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Oh that Voigt!
But seriously, I've not been following long, I only know Voigt as the old fighter he is today.
I won't say much about the older generation, but I strongly believe in the young generation to be mostly doping free. Riders as Boeckmans, Slagter, Phinney... All young, talented riders who, I believe, stay as clean as possble
Team Blanco is investigating LLS relationships with Dr Fuentes around 2006.
It's assumed he was his "patient" at that time, while riding for Liberty-Seguros.
(used translate, does dupable make sense? I'm trying to say it's a bit naive, but not stupid-naive 
