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| ruben |
Posted on 09-04-2012 20:31
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I'm sad that Boom group got caught by Terpstra/Turgot in the end, he deserved much more than 6th place. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 09-04-2012 21:24
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ruben wrote:
I'm sad that Boom group got caught by Terpstra/Turgot in the end, he deserved much more than 6th place.
It seemed they were totally stopped in the last km before the velodrome, looking at each other. In the end the three of that group got what they deserved for riding so defensively. |
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| Schleck96 |
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Aquarius wrote:
[quote]desimon95 wrote:
In this period of 3months Tom Boonen showed everybody again that he is the best cobblesrider of the hole peleton.
If Spartacus is not there |
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 09-04-2012 22:53
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Schleck96 wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
[quote]desimon95 wrote:
In this period of 3months Tom Boonen showed everybody again that he is the best cobblesrider of the hole peleton.
If Spartacus is not there
Look at Boonen's results in the cobbled classics. Now look at Cancellara's. Who's better again?
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alexkr00 wrote:
Schleck96 wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
[quote]desimon95 wrote:
In this period of 3months Tom Boonen showed everybody again that he is the best cobblesrider of the hole peleton.
If Spartacus is not there
Look at Boonen's results in the cobbled classics. Now look at Cancellara's. Who's better again?
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| tyriion |
Posted on 10-04-2012 06:20
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Facts don't agree with you though.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge Cancellara fan, but wins are what it's all about in the end and Boonen certainly has more of those.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 10-04-2012 07:25
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Guido Mukk wrote:
Schleck96 wrote:
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we realy miss Spartacus
Obviously, it's not the same without him.
he should take also Andys place on your poster..he is most complete cyclist that Leopard and cycling world has
Actually i know one who is becoming even more complete 
Great race from Tommeke, he deserved that, superb show of power this season  Congrats also to Turgot, Tossato,Paolini,Ladagnous,Hayman and all the other surprises.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 10-04-2012 07:37
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kumazan wrote:
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Oh and I also have to say - Sky are an absolute bunch of morons? Why did they work one-by-one instead of together? That may well have dragged Boonen back.
It didn't matter. They didn't have holes in their helmets, that's what really matter in today's cycling, tactics are for losers.
This kept me laughing for 5 minutes, the collegues in work even started to worry about my mental state 
Also what happened with Oss, did he have some problems? It looks like Liquigas is lost in classics without Sagan.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 10-04-2012 07:42
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Schleck96 wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
Schleck96 wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
[quote]desimon95 wrote:
In this period of 3months Tom Boonen showed everybody again that he is the best cobblesrider of the hole peleton.
If Spartacus is not there
Look at Boonen's results in the cobbled classics. Now look at Cancellara's. Who's better again?
Cancellara is a better cobbler than Boonen imo
U mad? 
I am really starting to hate all the claims Cancellara would have win that and this, if he was okay, if he had better team. Boonen is all-time king od Flanders classics, Cance is nowhere near him.
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 10-04-2012 08:14
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what you guys talking now..?
That Tommeke is stronger cobble rider that Cancellara?
Just comparing results? That is for guys who came 40 years after us and reading history books.
We all know that Cancellara is real power riding king at the moment.
Third year already there has been situation at the classics when nobody wil not work-help Cancellara because they fear of death this man power. Its is almost has been all against Cancellara .Maybe I little exaggerating situation a little but very close to that though.
When Cancellara deciding to leave Boonen at cobble section he will need 6m gap. to ride away..and Tom will not have power to take it back himself.
Dont get me wrong ..I always have been forced to be Boonen fanboy when other shouted he is not a sprinter he is gone. Amazing reincarnation for that man..lot to learn to other sprinters who has lost theyr top speed with age.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 10-04-2012 08:37
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Guido Mukk wrote:
what you guys talking now..?
That Tommeke is stronger cobble rider that Cancellara?
Just comparing results? That is for guys who came 40 years after us and reading history books.
We all know that Cancellara is real power riding king at the moment.
Third year already there has been situation at the classics when nobody wil not work-help Cancellara because they fear of death this man power. Its is almost has been all against Cancellara .Maybe I little exaggerating situation a little but very close to that though.
When Cancellara deciding to leave Boonen at cobble section he will need 6m gap. to ride away..and Tom will not have power to take it back himself.
Dont get me wrong ..I always have been forced to be Boonen fanboy when other shouted he is not a sprinter he is gone. Amazing reincarnation for that man..lot to learn to other sprinters who has lost theyr top speed with age.
In sport, everything is about results, not about who seems the strongest. You also need to be smart and choose the team wisely to have good teammates around (nobody forced Cance to go to shite cobbled team). Cancellara is great time-trialist and he rides every race like a time-trial without any sense of cycling tactics (it is actually not even much exiciting style for me).
Boonen on the other hand is synonym for Flanders classics in my eyes.They are both great but to say anybody is stronger than someone who won E3,G-W,RvV and P-R is a joke
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 10-04-2012 10:26
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
what you guys talking now..?
That Tommeke is stronger cobble rider that Cancellara?
Just comparing results? That is for guys who came 40 years after us and reading history books.
We all know that Cancellara is real power riding king at the moment.
Third year already there has been situation at the classics when nobody wil not work-help Cancellara because they fear of death this man power. Its is almost has been all against Cancellara .Maybe I little exaggerating situation a little but very close to that though.
When Cancellara deciding to leave Boonen at cobble section he will need 6m gap. to ride away..and Tom will not have power to take it back himself.
Dont get me wrong ..I always have been forced to be Boonen fanboy when other shouted he is not a sprinter he is gone. Amazing reincarnation for that man..lot to learn to other sprinters who has lost theyr top speed with age.
In sport, everything is about results, not about who seems the strongest. You also need to be smart and choose the team wisely to have good teammates around (nobody forced Cance to go to shite cobbled team). Cancellara is great time-trialist and he rides every race like a time-trial without any sense of cycling tactics (it is actually not even much exiciting style for me).
Boonen on the other hand is synonym for Flanders classics in my eyes.They are both great but to say anybody is stronger than someone who won E3,G-W,RvV and P-R is a joke
Do remember that he got taken out in RvV and thus couldn't take part in that or P-R (and the GW course isn't for him anyway).
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 10-04-2012 10:33
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wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
what you guys talking now..?
That Tommeke is stronger cobble rider that Cancellara?
Just comparing results? That is for guys who came 40 years after us and reading history books.
We all know that Cancellara is real power riding king at the moment.
Third year already there has been situation at the classics when nobody wil not work-help Cancellara because they fear of death this man power. Its is almost has been all against Cancellara .Maybe I little exaggerating situation a little but very close to that though.
When Cancellara deciding to leave Boonen at cobble section he will need 6m gap. to ride away..and Tom will not have power to take it back himself.
Dont get me wrong ..I always have been forced to be Boonen fanboy when other shouted he is not a sprinter he is gone. Amazing reincarnation for that man..lot to learn to other sprinters who has lost theyr top speed with age.
In sport, everything is about results, not about who seems the strongest. You also need to be smart and choose the team wisely to have good teammates around (nobody forced Cance to go to shite cobbled team). Cancellara is great time-trialist and he rides every race like a time-trial without any sense of cycling tactics (it is actually not even much exiciting style for me).
Boonen on the other hand is synonym for Flanders classics in my eyes.They are both great but to say anybody is stronger than someone who won E3,G-W,RvV and P-R is a joke
Do remember that he got taken out in RvV and thus couldn't take part in that or P-R (and the GW course isn't for him anyway).
I have that in mind, i was not talking only about this season. And actually avoiding the problems is also one of the signs of masterclass (together with luck and strong teammates of course). Now everybody will talk like Cance was going to win RvV and P-R, taht would not be fair to the actual strongest cobbler of the decade- Boonen.
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| tyriion |
Posted on 10-04-2012 10:35
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wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
Do remember that he got taken out in RvV and thus couldn't take part in that or P-R (and the GW course isn't for him anyway).
Don't think anyone can forget that. But Boonen had loads of bad luck in PR last year and got 4th in RvV. So he might have won there already if not for crashes.
That's why you can't say he might have, Boonen has been going for podiums steadily since 2005 and in all races that have cobbles in them. Cancellara certainly has done impressive stuff as well, but Boonen can stay with him on cobbles and actually finish off a race as well.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 10-04-2012 11:17
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Cancellara's power was absolutely stupefying in 2010, and Boonen couldn't cope with it.
In 2011 he'd become much, much more common (though still very strong).
In 2012 he was somewhere in between, but it's hard to say where. Probably not far from Boonen's level, question is not far but stronger, or not far but weaker ? We'll never know for sure.
And it's also hard to judge Boonen's level comparatively. His solo ride last Sunday was nowhere nearly as impressive than Cancellara's 2 years ago, but it also looked much more natural.
Being too strong is not always something too great, if I dare say. |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 10-04-2012 11:35
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In professional cycling, you need good legs, good form, good team, good tactic and some luck also. Comparing and/or discussing one aspect only is rather pointless in my opinion.
Boonen is a hero now, Cancellara might be a hero anyway, but not related to P-R. |
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Posted on 10-04-2012 11:43
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Cancellara is more of an all-rounder.
He can go over cobbles (winning P-R shows that)
He can Time Trial (winning World ITT shows that)
He can go over Hills (winning Strade Bianchi show that)
He can go up Mountains (u can see him pulling for the Schlecks in the TDF)
He can sprint a bit
Boonen is more specialized.
He can cobble (duh...)
He can sprint (duh...)
He can get over hills (RVV)
but he cant climb or TT anywhere near as well as Spartacus.
Over cobbles, on top form, equal teams, equal luck, i'd say Boonen.
TT, Cancellara
Hills, Cancellara
Sprint, Boonen
Mountain, Cancellara
3:2 Cancellara, he is the better cyclist
Boonen is the better cobbles
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Posted on 10-04-2012 11:49
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This absolutely makes no sense at all.
Cancellara, he is the better cyclist
Boonen is the better cobbles
like a Cobble specialist is no good cyclist? it is the same sport you know. They are both very very good cyclists but just with another specialisation. Boonen classics man Cance All-Rounder why does that make Boonen the lesser cyclist?
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| Wiley |
Posted on 10-04-2012 12:00
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sam1196 wrote:
This absolutely makes no sense at all.
Cancellara, he is the better cyclist
Boonen is the better cobbles
like a Cobble specialist is no good cyclist? it is the same sport you know. They are both very very good cyclists but just with another specialisation. Boonen classics man Cance All-Rounder why does that make Boonen the lesser cyclist?
I'm talking overall, i think Cancellara is better overall than Boonen.
Boonen is still exceptional, the best cobbles rider in the peloton, and has been over the last decade(ish).
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 10-04-2012 12:21
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Wiley wrote:
Cancellara is more of an all-rounder.
He can go over cobbles (winning P-R shows that)
He can Time Trial (winning World ITT shows that)
He can go over Hills (winning Strade Bianchi show that)
He can go up Mountains (u can see him pulling for the Schlecks in the TDF)
He can sprint a bit
Boonen is more specialized.
He can cobble (duh...)
He can sprint (duh...)
He can get over hills (RVV)
but he cant climb or TT anywhere near as well as Spartacus.
Over cobbles, on top form, equal teams, equal luck, i'd say Boonen.
TT, Cancellara
Hills, Cancellara
Sprint, Boonen
Mountain, Cancellara
3:2 Cancellara, he is the better cyclist
Boonen is the better cobbles
All those five aspects matter equally as much ? That's something new. |
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