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KurtinSC |
Posted on 03-05-2009 18:57
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issoisso wrote:
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Can someone explain the point of this rule?
Perhaps it makes sense in Europe but I just can't see it from the US perspective. I just don't see what benefit it gives anyone (UCI, the races, whatever) to do this... at least not in countries like the US that don't have a strong cycling base.
Perhaps it forces races that do have a following to pony up money to the UCI to get the best racers... but you have a catch-22 when the money isn't there in a country like the US.
Not enforcing this kind of rule has allowed US cycling to reach what it has... which granted isn't all that great but it's something. Choosing to enforce this rule now... with the economic situation so bad... will likely force all of these races to go away.
My bet is that two years from now the racing calendar in the US will consist of the tour of california, the tour of missouri... and the national championships. It was iffy on any other races surviving the economy even with draws like Lance or Levi showing up. Now... it's hard to see any of them surviving as commercial ventures. Cycling just isn't high enough up to survive in the sports entertainment industry without some help... and UCI isn't helping.
The concept behind it is simple, and I feel it makes sense:
To a ProTour rider, these races mean little. It's not going to make or break their careers. If they were to be allowed to race, they would mostly use these races for training only.
So, they would be robbing the places of riders of lower teams who need these races to make a living: to earn pay, to show service, to show results, to enhance their reputation and get noticed.
All of that would be gone for those riders, who are replaced by "big names" who would show up to roll in the pack and wave at fans.
I don't think that's the way it works in the US.
I may be wrong... but I don't really think the small teams want the big names to not show up.
The problem is in the US, without the big names there the races will disappear... we just don't have a strong enough interest in cycling for fans to show up without a name of some kind being there. Doesn't have to be Armstrong... even a Landis or Fred Rodriguez will do... but there have to be some interesting names there to draw fans.
Without that... the fans don't show up, the sponsors for the race go away... and then the small teams don't even have a race to ride in. That's going to hurt their chance of making a living much more than having the top 3 spots taken by "name" riders from big teams... because THEIR sponsors won't pay without their kit being shown in races.
I understand the idea if there were a large contingent of fans in the US that would watch regardless of who shows up... but that just isn't the case here. Right now it's looking like 5 years down the road the US may only have two or three pro cycling races... period. The rest will go the way of the Tour of Georgia... a great race that I watched several times that never got much fan interest once Lance stopped riding. We'll be down to amateur races only. |
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issoisso |
Posted on 03-05-2009 19:01
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KurtinSC wrote:
I may be wrong... but I don't really think the small teams want the big names to not show up.
It's not about those teams. The rule is there to protect the riders that won't be able to be there if the big names are. If there's space for 20 teams, every big team that shows up at a race that is nothing in their career, is one less team of riders to whom that race is a career maker.
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CrueTrue |
Posted on 03-05-2009 20:47
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Copied from Stairs who copied it from Daily Peloton's Rational Head who I have no idea who is:
"While some speculate about Levy's Giro chances (which I personally doubt anyway), Astana may collapse midway through the Giro. At least that's the opinion of two of its main curators in the Kaz Fed - Proskurin and Antyshev.
According to today's interview with Proskurin, provided Astana finish the race at all, the Giro will most likely be THE LAST race for the team named Astana.
Thanks to Google (and cross and reverse translation), I surmised the following:
The UCI had issued an ultimatum to pay up salaries or lose PT license
The $2 million 'untouchable' UCI reserve fund is down to zero.
The UCI ultimatum to refill the reserve fund expires midway through the Giro
5 of Astana's 6 sponsor refused to continue their contributions
The defense minister/Kaz Cycling boss, Mr Danialov has not succeeded in secureing new money..yet" |
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issoisso |
Posted on 03-05-2009 20:51
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Oh god I might just laugh and laugh and laugh
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Wolfos |
Posted on 03-05-2009 21:01
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CrueTrue wrote:
Astana may collapse midway through the Giro.
The Giro will most likely be THE LAST race for the team named Astana.
The following:
The UCI had issued an ultimatum to pay up salaries or lose PT license
The $2 million 'untouchable' UCI reserve fund is down to zero.
The UCI ultimatum to refill the reserve fund expires midway through the Giro
5 of Astana's 6 sponsor refused to continue their contributions
The defense minister/Kaz Cycling boss, Mr Danialov has not succeeded in secureing new money..yet
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Guido Mukk |
Posted on 03-05-2009 21:10
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yes let's swipe that unnatural thing away.. |
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issoisso |
Posted on 03-05-2009 21:19
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Still, I don't see them having much trouble at all getting another sponsor.
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Wolfos |
Posted on 03-05-2009 21:26
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issoisso wrote:
Still, I don't see them having much trouble at all getting another sponsor.
Yes, but with their probably giant wage budget, no new sponsors as of yet, and trouble with the UCI, surely it cannot be guaranteed that they contest the Tour in two months time. |
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issoisso |
Posted on 04-05-2009 09:01
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Redondo blames the testosterone positive on his food. Has he been chewing on someone's balls?
Rujano won't be doing the Giro with ISD because he's not a part of the biological passport.
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schleck93 |
Posted on 04-05-2009 10:03
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On Iceland sheep balls are, like snails in France
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Thor wears a live rattlesnake as a condom.
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Guido Mukk |
Posted on 04-05-2009 10:04
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issoisso wrote:
Still, I don't see them having much trouble at all getting another sponsor.
Indeed..and again ..Disco no. sponsor end..this was not main reason.. |
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Ak4 |
Posted on 04-05-2009 10:09
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schleck93 wrote:
On Iceland sheep balls are, like snails in France
Are they as tasty as snails?
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schleck93 |
Posted on 04-05-2009 10:09
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Ak4 wrote:
schleck93 wrote:
On Iceland sheep balls are, like snails in France
Are they as tasty as snails?
I don't wanna know
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issoisso |
Posted on 04-05-2009 11:13
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Armstrong's talking about how good it would be to have his own team, and about how him riding next season depends on "the developments over the next three months".
You can see where this is going
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schleck93 |
Posted on 04-05-2009 11:39
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Mark Cavendish is a mad at the english press and the english people, because they don't know anything about cycling. He's especially mad about the fact they don't know that all his victories this season (6-7) is way more important than winning at the olympics for a road cyclist. And another thig his mad about is that, all the english press reports about cycling, is when someone is caught doping, and showing it as doping only occours in cycling.
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Guido Mukk |
Posted on 04-05-2009 11:42
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well..Mark is little cocky young man..but he is right this time..
Doping is not just cycling issue..and Milano- San Remo win is hugh. |
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Posted on 04-05-2009 11:47
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I would say that disappointed is a more suitable word to use than mad. |
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schleck93 |
Posted on 04-05-2009 11:55
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You're right disappointed is a more suitable word than mad.
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issoisso |
Posted on 04-05-2009 14:42
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You know what says a heck of a lot about Astana's possible collapse as a sponsor?
Astana's Giro Team:
ARMSTRONG Lance
BRAJKOVIC Jani
LEIPHEIMER Levi
POPOVYCH Yaroslav
RUBIERA Chechu
HORNER Chris
MORABITO Steve
NAVARRO Dani
ZEITS Andrey
Count the Kazakhstanis. Right.
Edited by issoisso on 04-05-2009 14:43
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Ak4 |
Posted on 04-05-2009 14:44
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I think they are much famous with a team full of stars than full of kazaks.. But I don't know sponsor's goals
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