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PCM.daily Stat Discussion
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| King_Ric |
Posted on 26-03-2021 22:07
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alex199412 wrote:
I am no stat specialist but here are a few main takeaways from the races i watched:
- MvdP defo needs his hill stat in the 8/81 range to compensate for his low mtn
- WvA deserves 80 sprint after Tirreno and maybe even a mountain upgrade
- Bennett should have 83 sprint, with ewan hill stat being boosted after MSR
- Increasing Cavendish's support stats slightly so he actually stays in the peleton for the sprint lol
- small mtn increases for schachmann, Valverde and chaves could be on the cards
- Viviani should get his supports stats cut, but keeping him at 80 spr
obv a lot more things that you guys picked up, but thats my current takeaways
Ewan might have had a equivalent to a +5 day. A single race day isn't enough for an upgrade i believe as i'm pretty sure he could do it in PCM with the current stats.
WVA did well in tirre but so did Fabro and Carr that have weaker stats but with some more performances like that he could get a +1.
Also i'm not sure about the upgrades in Schachmann as the startlist for the race wasn't great and the mountain stages weren't the most difficult ones.
I think i agree with the rest but i would like to see more from Valverde and Chaves. |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 27-03-2021 08:30
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alex199412 wrote:
I am no stat specialist but here are a few main takeaways from the races i watched:
- MvdP defo needs his hill stat in the 8/81 range to compensate for his low mtn
- WvA deserves 80 sprint after Tirreno and maybe even a mountain upgrade
- Bennett should have 83 sprint, with ewan hill stat being boosted after MSR
- Increasing Cavendish's support stats slightly so he actually stays in the peleton for the sprint lol
- small mtn increases for schachmann, Valverde and chaves could be on the cards
- Viviani should get his supports stats cut, but keeping him at 80 spr
obv a lot more things that you guys picked up, but thats my current takeaways
Alex/King Ric: Most of these have been changed MVd is currently on 79 hill but could he be even better I don't know and any suggestions welcome but consider his already huge acc and res stats and anything higher in hill might be overkill. WVA is 80 sprint now and we've made him stronger in mtns than in hill. Bennett is 82/82 the best sprinter in the DB and Ewan is 81/83 with the best hill with 71. Cav has been inproved with flat and res. Chaves to 79 mtn but I think Valverde ok as he is and is Schachmann because as far as I can see Schachmann only does well in mtns at Paris-Nice and these aren't so hard and his high hill and back-up stats helps him. No need to change Viviani I think as a number of sprinters have been improved around him but if he doesn't improve soon then will get a decrease in some stats
Wouldn't mind getting some ideas on the Yates brothers as Adam looks to be back to his potential and should they be the same in mtn or one better than the other. Simon a better track record in recent years but I think Adam could be the main GT man for Ineos this season?
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| King_Ric |
Posted on 27-03-2021 14:20
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Don't think we can have Adam over Simon as Simon has the quality he is just extremely inconsistent and he also has a better palmares. I'd rate them the same in mountain but Adam might deserve slightly better back up stats maybe. It's a hard one though.
Can you reveal WVA mountain and hill stats? |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 27-03-2021 15:23
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I was looking at Viviani and decided to lower some of his back-up stats and agree about both Adam and Simon Yates and have decided to put them both on 81 mtn for now and do some messing around with their back-up stats.
WVA is 76/76 in mtn and hill but I'm now having some doubts here as I clearly feel that he is better in mtn than he is in hill.
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 27-03-2021 16:00
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He's impossible to rate, remember he also needs the hill stats to win San Remo and Strade. (for the record, his career results in those races are 6th 1st, 3rd and 3rd, 3rd, 1st, 4th respectively).
If anything, he lacks the acceleration on shorter hills and is more of an engine type. But yeah, you'll also need to make him win TDF mass sprints.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| King_Ric |
Posted on 27-03-2021 17:42
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Currently in a PCM save i'm playing he has 76/77 and he seems really accurate so something around that (maybe reverse the stats) would be good. |
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| alex199412 |
Posted on 27-03-2021 19:27
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also WVA getting the silver medal in a very hilly parcours last year should be counted in, 77 mtn and 78 hil i think should be accurate, but then VDP should be 80 hil which i think he fully deserves
another man which is a lottery to rate could be pidcock bc he was great at strade, active in MSR and he went well in the cobbled classics and seemingly he is already the ineos captain at the classics.
Also Joao Almeida is a courious case, because i think that he is not a pure stage racer, as he can be realtive explosive, so i'd put his hil and mtn stat equal ( 78 or 79), the man is 6th in the world rankings and is a mea consistent prensence, but i dont think that he is the next grand tour winner and pure climber
Edited by alex199412 on 27-03-2021 19:45
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 27-03-2021 19:42
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My first instinct with WVA was to go with 77/75 but 76/76 was decided upon. For example VDP has 79 hill and I think the big question is how much better is VDP in hill than WVA? But it's also not as easy as that because acc is so important for hill as well and WVA is 78 to VDP 83 so 76/76 for Van Aert in climbing might be correct. I'd also be concerned with putting VDP higher in hill 80 might work but 81 is risky but again it depends on how much better he is in hill.
I'm also not sure how important hill is for MSR as the I played three MSR quite recently and had Nizzolo podium on the two that came to a reduced bunch sprint but I guess it depends a bit as well on which MSR variant is chosen.
Also Alex's idea could be good raising the hill of both a bit which keeps about the same distance. It's very hard to truly judge WVA and VDP as everybody leans on them to do all the work anyway 
I'm getting the general feeling that higher hill is being requested for both so will look at that option.
Yes Almeida is a hard one and has 79 mtn now with high back-ups and despite not so great at Catalunya has certainly improved since making a splash at the Giro, he's a great TT rider for what is a potential GT rider.
Edited by Tafiolmo on 27-03-2021 19:48
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 27-03-2021 22:59
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In my opinion:
WVA Climb 76 Hill 78 Spr 79 Ace80
MVDP Hill 80 Spr77 Ace82 |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 28-03-2021 12:34
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AiZaK wrote:
In my opinion:
WVA Climb 76 Hill 78 Spr 79 Ace80
MVDP Hill 80 Spr77 Ace82
But the weakness of WVA is his acc and his inability to follow explosive attacks and he relies on his res to react to both in a slower fashion. He's also like a power sprinter in sprints that needs a high end sprint like 80 and two or three points less in acc. I do think that 76/76 in climbing and 80/78 in sprint is good for him especially with his high flat and res stats as well.
I also think 79 hill is right for MVP with his insane acc and high res etc and putting him 80 or 81 in hill may well turn him into an Ardennes beast and he's not that rider yet. He dropped Alaphilippe on hills at Strade Bianche and these are hardly the Mur or la Redoute.
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| -Alex- |
Posted on 28-03-2021 19:41
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In my opinion
Van Aert : 81 in clm, 80 in Spr, flat, cob and res ; 79 in end, 77 in mo, 76 in hill and acc.
Van der Poel, 78 in hill but 82 in acc. 81 in end. And 77 in spr. |
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| alex199412 |
Posted on 29-03-2021 17:27
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Lets not forget how VdP actually already has a pedegree in the hilly classics with winning brabantse and amstel and also having a top 10 finish in liege. VdP and WVA have to be rated in a manner that they can be competetive in the ardennes and on hilly stages like we saw in tirreno and while Wout has the mtn stat to lean on, VdP has so be made a beast in the hills, because in a race like liege even with 80 he will struggle in PCM against the likes of Roglic, Pogacar and Alaphilippe with his low mtn. |
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 29-03-2021 18:25
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-Alex- wrote:
In my opinion
Van Aert : 81 in clm, 80 in Spr, flat, cob and res ; 79 in end, 77 in mo, 76 in hill and acc.
Van der Poel, 78 in hill but 82 in acc. 81 in end. And 77 in spr.
Why do you put Wout 2 Stamina stats lower than Mathieu? I'd say WVA has more results in the longer classics so far.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| -Alex- |
Posted on 29-03-2021 21:48
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Ollfardh wrote:
-Alex- wrote:
In my opinion
Van Aert : 81 in clm, 80 in Spr, flat, cob and res ; 79 in end, 77 in mo, 76 in hill and acc.
Van der Poel, 78 in hill but 82 in acc. 81 in end. And 77 in spr.
Why do you put Wout 2 Stamina stats lower than Mathieu? I'd say WVA has more results in the longer classics so far.
Yes you're right. Maybe in underestimate Van Aert a little. But i'm a also a little bit afraid he will be too good with so many stats above 80. |
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 29-03-2021 21:58
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-Alex- wrote:
Ollfardh wrote:
-Alex- wrote:
In my opinion
Van Aert : 81 in clm, 80 in Spr, flat, cob and res ; 79 in end, 77 in mo, 76 in hill and acc.
Van der Poel, 78 in hill but 82 in acc. 81 in end. And 77 in spr.
Why do you put Wout 2 Stamina stats lower than Mathieu? I'd say WVA has more results in the longer classics so far.
Yes you're right. Maybe in underestimate Van Aert a little. But i'm a also a little bit afraid he will be too good with so many stats above 80.
No it's definitely a valid concern, but I don't think Stamina is a thing Van Aert should be "weaker" in.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 30-03-2021 10:34
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WVA should certainly have at least a point more in STA than MVP. I think the big question here though seems to be MVP's hill. How much less should he be than Alaphilippe in hill because at the moment he is 3 points less than Alaphilippe but has 4 points more in acc and 3 points more in res. Taking this into consideration I'd say the 82 to 79 hill difference quite well balanced.
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 30-03-2021 18:40
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To be honest I think Mathieus biggest classics weakness is his stamina, and that quite significantly. |
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| King_Ric |
Posted on 03-04-2021 19:22
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Which stats are you debating right now and is there much more to do before the db is out?
Also how can i report stage problems? |
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 04-04-2021 10:22
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King_Ric wrote:
Which stats are you debating right now and is there much more to do before the db is out?
Also how can i report stage problems?
Here you can report stage problems.
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| Arberg |
Posted on 05-04-2021 09:39
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Cobbles:
83: Asgreen
82: Van der Poel, Van Aert
80: Vanmarcke, Van Avermaet
79: Turgis, Sagan, Kristoff, Stuyven
78: Alaphilippe, Pidcock, Wellens, Laporte, Haller, Benoot
77: Matthews, Pedersen, Lampaert
Asgreen has much less in hills than Van Aert and especially Van der Poel, so he will have to have more in cobble.
Agree ? |
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