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| Gustavovskiy |
Posted on 02-10-2013 12:52
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Top5 would be quite the result imo, but I just don't feel this is the right direction for his career. His main strength are his tactical skills. I'd be surprised if he could compete against such powerhouses as Froome, Nibali and Quintana on a regular basis throughout 3 weeks in a row. He could easily jeopardize his talents in a Cunegoesque fashion.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 02-10-2013 12:53
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Top5? I think he is hardly top10 candidate. 
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 02-10-2013 18:09
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I hope Costa gives up those Tour silly GC dreams. But, well, I'll let him have a shot at it. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 02-10-2013 19:16
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Gustavovskiy wrote:
He could easily jeopardize his talents in a Cunegoesque fashion.
Take care when calling the Cunego example, not every one was named in the Mantova investigation or declined when the blood passport was introduced. |
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| CountArach |
Posted on 02-10-2013 20:26
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I called that this would happen in the WC thread. It was bound to happen and it is just going to be a wasted year for Costa that could derail the rest of his career (the comparison to Cunego above is absolutely right). Top 10 would be a good result but I'd still be sceptical that he is even capable of that, even though he has come on massively in the past 12 months. Stick to shorter stage races and the occasional classic IMO. That's where his tactical abilities will help and his inability to recover well won't be a problem.
So in other news, I got really angry at Cycling News today. They published this absolute drivel from a former teammate of JTL stating why he thought JTL was clean:
https://www.cyclin...e-is-clean
In summary: JTL works really hard guys and he is naturally very fit and he is a good guy so stop blaming him. Give me a fucking break. If I had a dollar for every time someone had said that...
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 02-10-2013 20:27
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 02-10-2013 21:30
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CountArach wrote:
I called that this would happen in the WC thread. It was bound to happen and it is just going to be a wasted year for Costa that could derail the rest of his career (the comparison to Cunego above is absolutely right). Top 10 would be a good result but I'd still be sceptical that he is even capable of that, even though he has come on massively in the past 12 months. Stick to shorter stage races and the occasional classic IMO. That's where his tactical abilities will help and his inability to recover well won't be a problem.
So in other news, I got really angry at Cycling News today. They published this absolute drivel from a former teammate of JTL stating why he thought JTL was clean:
https://www.cyclin...e-is-clean
In summary: JTL works really hard guys and he is naturally very fit and he is a good guy so stop blaming him. Give me a fucking break. If I had a dollar for every time someone had said that...
Regarding the JTL bit, it's an opinion piece. It's supposed to be an interesting perspective and of course people are totally free to think what an absolute load of crap 
If nothing else it gives a brief insight into some of his history from someone who rode with him at the time. |
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| CountArach |
Posted on 02-10-2013 21:40
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ianrussell wrote:
Regarding the JTL bit, it's an opinion piece. It's supposed to be an interesting perspective and of course people are totally free to think what an absolute load of crap
If nothing else it gives a brief insight into some of his history from someone who rode with him at the time.
Absolutely it is an opinion piece by why did CN publish it? They were under no obligation to do so, but in doing so they have allowed an opinion that is ill-thought-out and inherently biased to be given the integrity that a journalistic publication can grant to something. They should be more responsible and remember that they have a duty of care to the audience.
And as for the history, that was quite interesting, yes. But then publish it in a different context, which looks at the history of JTL. Not like this crap.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 02-10-2013 21:43
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But precisely, isn't their audience mostly composed of Team Sky extremists ? |
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 02-10-2013 21:46
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Aquarius wrote:
But precisely, isn't their audience mostly composed of Team Sky extremists ?
Actually, CN as far as I recall is a british-based website? So, yeah, mainly. Just look at the comments section on that article. |
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 02-10-2013 21:59
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@Count appreciate your point but tbh I think JTL will struggle to ever have any credibility ever again, no matter how many articles CN run or, more importantly, the outcome of the investigation - mud sticks, especially when a rider starts performing at a higher level at this stage of their career.
Another job for Mr Cookson - keep this stuff confidential for all riders while ongoing and ensure the process is completed much, much quicker.
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 02-10-2013 22:01
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You guys know it's October, right?
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 02-10-2013 22:04
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alexkr00 wrote:
You guys know it's October, right?
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| CountArach |
Posted on 02-10-2013 22:25
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ianrussell wrote:
@Count appreciate your point but tbh I think JTL will struggle to ever have any credibility ever again, no matter how many articles CN run or, more importantly, the outcome of the investigation - mud sticks, especially when a rider starts performing at a higher level at this stage of their career.
That's beside the point. Regardless of whether it is successful or not CN shouldn't be taking sides like this.
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Another job for Mr Cookson - keep this stuff confidential for all riders while ongoing and ensure the process is completed much, much quicker.
There I will agree with you. Announcing positive tests before a B sample is taken is another thing that needs to stop.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 02-10-2013 22:36
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CountArach wrote:
ianrussell wrote:
Another job for Mr Cookson - keep this stuff confidential for all riders while ongoing and ensure the process is completed much, much quicker.
There I will agree with you. Announcing positive tests before a B sample is taken is another thing that needs to stop.
But when it takes six months or more like in Santambrogio or Di Luca's cases to test the B sample, how should they explain why the rider's not racing any more ?
Please don't answer me we should do like in tennis, with their ever lasting mononucleosis, their sudden injuries, etc. |
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 02-10-2013 22:39
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The B sample thing is indeed also ridiculous. A turnaround of a couple of weeks would seem reasonable not several months. Are the current time frames indicative of a "let's hope they forget" regime or some unbeknown (to me at least) logistical issues?
Either way sort it out to get a more timely outcome.
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 02-10-2013 22:59
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Miguel98 wrote:
I hope Costa gives up those Tour silly GC dreams. But, well, I'll let him have a shot at it.
Indeed there is nothing wrong to be "LuLu" or "Tony Martin". No need to be GT GC rider |
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| CountArach |
Posted on 03-10-2013 02:07
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Aquarius wrote:
CountArach wrote:
ianrussell wrote:
Another job for Mr Cookson - keep this stuff confidential for all riders while ongoing and ensure the process is completed much, much quicker.
There I will agree with you. Announcing positive tests before a B sample is taken is another thing that needs to stop.
But when it takes six months or more like in Santambrogio or Di Luca's cases to test the B sample, how should they explain why the rider's not racing any more ?
Please don't answer me we should do like in tennis, with their ever lasting mononucleosis, their sudden injuries, etc.
Oh yeah definitely but the key is a faster turnover on the second test. 6 months for a second test is frankly ridiculous.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 03-10-2013 07:07
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I don't know how long it takes to run a test on an urine or blood sample, I guess it depends on the searched product. In any case I don't believe a test process takes longer than 3 or 4 days (I'd rather say most must last one or two hours maximum).
So, from the moment the A sample turns out positive, the lab should notice the UCI (one day max), the UCI should notifiy the rider (let's say three days if it takes an official letter to do so), then the rider should have three days to answer (3 days + another 3 for postal issues), then the UCI should notify the lab it should process to the B sample testing (1 + 3 days).
All in all, that should never take more than two weeks. Six months is beyond belief.
Be honest and admit they don't know where they stored Santa's B sample ?
*conspiracy mode on* Or maybe something such as the red magic powder, or another one like that, has been used by the rider, and the longest he can delay the testing, the most likely it is it'll turn negative as the powder slowly destroys everything inside the sample ?
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| Blueprint |
Posted on 03-10-2013 07:35
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CountArach wrote:
ianrussell wrote:
Regarding the JTL bit, it's an opinion piece. It's supposed to be an interesting perspective and of course people are totally free to think what an absolute load of crap
If nothing else it gives a brief insight into some of his history from someone who rode with him at the time.
Absolutely it is an opinion piece by why did CN publish it? They were under no obligation to do so, but in doing so they have allowed an opinion that is ill-thought-out and inherently biased to be given the integrity that a journalistic publication can grant to something. They should be more responsible and remember that they have a duty of care to the audience.
And as for the history, that was quite interesting, yes. But then publish it in a different context, which looks at the history of JTL. Not like this crap.
CN is making clear enough that it's an opinion piece from Tiernan-Locke's former team mate. That has nothing to do with "to be given the integrity that a journalistic publication can grant to something". I enjoyed reading the article and, whether Southam is right or not (CN is not saying he is), I consider it well-written and interesting enough to be published. At least CN is not caught in anti-doping fundamentalism and dares to let its readers form their own opinions about the subject. |
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