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Tour de France 2012: Pre-Race thread
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 27-06-2012 22:15
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Vien wrote:
@Riis123: Ah I think I got your question wrong  As explained in the other topic, Renshaw should win over Gallopin in my opinion. I think Petacchi can win over Farrar, because I don't see Farrar sprinting in intermediates, and Farrar has no leadout.
I decided to delete it cause i felt that it afterall didn't belonged there - but i saw your answer and apreciated it. Exactly Gallopins duties kan force him to not participate in the uphill sprints, while Renshaw pretty much is free to try and win in mass sprints like Freire was back in the days.
On Farrar/Petacchi my thoughts was that Petacchi ia getting older and has lost a lot of top speed. Farrar as lost a little as well, but is still faster than Petacchi. Your thoughts about Petacchi riding for the intermediates are interesting and surely something i will consider, even though I think he will realize pretty fast that he doesn't stand a chance in that competition and instead focusing solely on getting a victory.
But thank you, I apreciate it  . I'll later post all my bets in a seperate thread.
Edited by Riis123 on 27-06-2012 22:16
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| Vien |
Posted on 27-06-2012 22:17
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All I can say is, remember that Petacchi didn't ride the Giro. Perhaps that can give him just a bit more power than last year.
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 27-06-2012 22:18
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Vien wrote:
All I can say is, remember that Petacchi didn't ride the Giro. Perhaps that can give him just a bit more power than last year.
Something which will have a impact, yes. But i need some excitement along the flat stages |
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 27-06-2012 22:19
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valverde321 wrote:
Pellizotti2 wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
few weeks ago..he had enough power..but not stamina at all.
This is 50-50 chanche..will he survive that final week. Problem is..that he's final descent race was at march
Best Taaramäe is when he can climb with own speed (Alpe d'Huez last year..he had bad day..was droped early...came back ..and then climbed he's career best climb)..and when he is top form..this will be world class speed. Only then he can beat van Garderen
Van Garderen's climbing is very overrated if you ask me. And also, he seems to overestimate himself sometimes.
Mount Baldy for example. He tried to stay with Gesink for too long, cracked and got passed by several riders to finish almost a minute and a half down.
Also, Suisse last year. He was clearly in great shape, judging by his prologue and first few stages. Then he struggled as soon as they hit the mountains and ended up outside the Top 10 overall, after a terrible last time trial. His recovery needs to improve too before I'll see him as a contender in the GTs.
And completely agree. Its like his Mountain stat just shot up, after that break in the Tour where he got the polka dots. I think we need to remember who won the Polka dots in 2010...
What are you talking about ?
Van Garderen didn't do Tour in 2010. Although he came into first big notice as he did very well in Dauhpine 2010. Still his best WT result to date.
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 27-06-2012 22:22
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Alakagom wrote:
valverde321 wrote:
Pellizotti2 wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
few weeks ago..he had enough power..but not stamina at all.
This is 50-50 chanche..will he survive that final week. Problem is..that he's final descent race was at march
Best Taaramäe is when he can climb with own speed (Alpe d'Huez last year..he had bad day..was droped early...came back ..and then climbed he's career best climb)..and when he is top form..this will be world class speed. Only then he can beat van Garderen
Van Garderen's climbing is very overrated if you ask me. And also, he seems to overestimate himself sometimes.
Mount Baldy for example. He tried to stay with Gesink for too long, cracked and got passed by several riders to finish almost a minute and a half down.
Also, Suisse last year. He was clearly in great shape, judging by his prologue and first few stages. Then he struggled as soon as they hit the mountains and ended up outside the Top 10 overall, after a terrible last time trial. His recovery needs to improve too before I'll see him as a contender in the GTs.
And completely agree. Its like his Mountain stat just shot up, after that break in the Tour where he got the polka dots. I think we need to remember who won the Polka dots in 2010...
What are you talking about ?
Van Garderen didn't do Tour in 2010. Although he came into first big notice as he did very well in Dauhpine 2010. Still his best WT result to date.
I was talking about 2011 for TVG. But Charteau won polka dots in 2010.
And my point is that you dont have to be an amazing climber to pick up a few KoM points on a certain stage.
Edited by valverde321 on 27-06-2012 22:23
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 27-06-2012 22:26
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valverde321 wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
valverde321 wrote:
Pellizotti2 wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
few weeks ago..he had enough power..but not stamina at all.
This is 50-50 chanche..will he survive that final week. Problem is..that he's final descent race was at march
Best Taaramäe is when he can climb with own speed (Alpe d'Huez last year..he had bad day..was droped early...came back ..and then climbed he's career best climb)..and when he is top form..this will be world class speed. Only then he can beat van Garderen
Van Garderen's climbing is very overrated if you ask me. And also, he seems to overestimate himself sometimes.
Mount Baldy for example. He tried to stay with Gesink for too long, cracked and got passed by several riders to finish almost a minute and a half down.
Also, Suisse last year. He was clearly in great shape, judging by his prologue and first few stages. Then he struggled as soon as they hit the mountains and ended up outside the Top 10 overall, after a terrible last time trial. His recovery needs to improve too before I'll see him as a contender in the GTs.
And completely agree. Its like his Mountain stat just shot up, after that break in the Tour where he got the polka dots. I think we need to remember who won the Polka dots in 2010...
What are you talking about ?
Van Garderen didn't do Tour in 2010. Although he came into first big notice as he did very well in Dauhpine 2010. Still his best WT result to date.
I was talking about 2011 for TVG. But Charteau won polka dots in 2010.
And my point is that you dont have to be an amazing climber to pick up a few KoM points on a certain stage.
Makes sense now, nonetheless his mountain proneness shoot up at 2010 Dauhpine and from then he was bigged up. I don't even remember him at KoM. That rankings doesn't really matter that much anyway to see who's good climber and who's not.
Still overrated very much so.
Edited by Alakagom on 27-06-2012 22:27
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| Vien |
Posted on 27-06-2012 22:34
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This made me lol (Klöden's Twitter): https://img.ly/k4W9
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 27-06-2012 23:04
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I can't open it, what is it? |
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| chris01 |
Posted on 27-06-2012 23:06
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Ian Butler wrote:
I can't open it, what is it?
RNT shoes.
Give a man a fish and feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and feed him for a lifetime. Teach a man to cycle and he will realize fishing is stupid and boring.
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| FreitasPCM |
Posted on 27-06-2012 23:07
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chris01 wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
I can't open it, what is it?
RNT shoes.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 27-06-2012 23:11
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Okay, thanks, I can see why that makes you laugh |
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| ShortsNL |
Posted on 28-06-2012 11:35
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Vacansoleil's start order on Saturday's prologue:
(from their twitter)
Looks like they are definitely putting their money on Westra. By putting him at the end of the list, it shows that he's been given more of a GC role, unlike Larsson who is starting halfway and is probably just competing for stage results in TT's. |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 28-06-2012 12:21
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They have a shot at winning the prologue, if you'd ask me. It'll be hard but it's not quite impossible! |
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| felix_29 |
Posted on 28-06-2012 12:29
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Both Westra and Larsson need a miracle to get a podium, i can´t see one of them winning.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 28-06-2012 12:32
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Hmm I don't know. In cycling, every race has to be ridden. I admit the chances are slim, but I see them surprising. |
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| Schleck96 |
Posted on 28-06-2012 12:33
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I don't see them winning either. |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 28-06-2012 12:52
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Maybe you're right. We'll see, but I gotta say, my money is on Cancellara |
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| Schleck96 |
Posted on 28-06-2012 12:57
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Ian Butler wrote:
Maybe you're right. We'll see, but I gotta say, my money is on Cancellara
I think Martin will dominate the TT's but I would love to see his ass kicked by Spartacus that's for damn sure! |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 28-06-2012 13:22
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Prologue is between Cancellara, Martin and kamikadze Sagan if you would ask me
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| ShortsNL |
Posted on 28-06-2012 14:17
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I give Larsson a fair shot. He won the Paris-Nice prologue so on good form maybe he'll surprise and land somewhere in the top 3. |
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