Transfer Season 09/10
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Posted on 15-08-2009 22:31
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And i think in this case they wont let Contador go easily ... Best GC rider atm, so ... |
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Posted on 16-08-2009 10:27
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2006 or 2007 T-mobile bought Valv contract as a payment for Caisse to let him go , but they didnt agreed on the contract lenght and the transfer was cancelled
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Posted on 16-08-2009 10:56
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That would never have gone through. Valverde has no intention of joining T-Mobile. He just used that offer to negotiate a better contract with Caisse and become by a huge margin the highest paid rider in the sport (which he still is by quite a bit).
Later, when asked about directly about that particular transfer, Stapleton said that "some riders" (wink, wink) were very enthusiastic about joining the team, until they realized the team was serious about riding clean. At this point the riders "suddenly remembered" they had a better offer somewhere.
He said this happened to most of the riders they talked to.
He also said one particular rider told him to his face "clean? no chance, sorry." and that was that. He won't disclose the name of the rider, though.
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Posted on 17-08-2009 08:27
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Steegmans is strongly linked to Milram |
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Posted on 17-08-2009 16:32
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issoisso wrote:
That would never have gone through. Valverde has no intention of joining T-Mobile. He just used that offer to negotiate a better contract with Caisse and become by a huge margin the highest paid rider in the sport (which he still is by quite a bit).
Later, when asked about directly about that particular transfer, Stapleton said that "some riders" (wink, wink) were very enthusiastic about joining the team, until they realized the team was serious about riding clean. At this point the riders "suddenly remembered" they had a better offer somewhere.
He said this happened to most of the riders they talked to.
He also said one particular rider told him to his face "clean? no chance, sorry." and that was that. He won't disclose the name of the rider, though.
How much of that do you think is just Stapleton trying to play up Columbia's "cleanness?" |
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Posted on 17-08-2009 16:51
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issoisso wrote:
He also said one particular rider told him to his face "clean? no chance, sorry." and that was that. He won't disclose the name of the rider, though.
It's about time people started naming these cyclists.
Only for the cyclists to strongly deny saying it of course |
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Posted on 17-08-2009 20:47
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Very interesting article from podiumcafe. Most of it has been discussed about a lot in the forum, but he puts it together nicely and has some very interesting tidbits.
A few other factoids from the reported world...
Katusha's budget exceeds €15 million. Rumors had it as high as €25 before the season, though that doesn't appear to be the case.
Riis gets something in the neighborhood of €7.3mil from Saxo Bank and another €4mil from Specialized.
Euskaltel have publicly commented that they have a budget of €6.8mil for 2009.
Team Sky will have a budget somewhere between €6 - €33 million. That upper figure, if it's accurate, may be over a couple seasons, but as usual details are hard to come by.
The Times of London estimated that Team Radio Shack will have a budget of $20 million... and TRS's website reprinted the article without comment.
Anyway, chasing the exact numbers may be an exercise in futility. The more important point is to get an idea as to who is relatively better off than the competition, and might therefore have some greater weight in the transfer game. These various tidbits suggest that Katusha is the biggest player, with Quick Step and Caisse d'Epargne generally being in the upper class, followed by a spate of comparably budgeted teams in Rabo, Leaky, Saxo, Columbia and somehow Silence-Lotto. Astana are listed in there but their future budget may be an entirely different story. Future teams Sky and the Shack are similarly unknowable, though rumored to be strong buyers. As for the working poor, don't expect big signings at French outfits like Bweeg, FDJ or AG2R anytime soon... but the Contador-to-Garmin rumors suggest that in this one case the list may be way off.
As usual, CQRanking.com are utterly indispensible in digging for information, as their searchable transfer database is not to be missed. Using the same info in a perhaps-handier form is the one-stop shopping Wielerflits list. From these sources we can see that the following teams are the biggest buyers:
The new teams Sky and Shack, for obvious reasons. The Shack will start with the Postal/Disco/Astana Alumni crew, but after getting the band back together, we shall see. Every Brit ever has been linked to Sky, along with every Irish rider and half of the Scandinavians.
Astana, for nearly as obvious reasons (though they will retain a lot of Kazakhs and not sure who else)
There may be a bidding war in France, as Agritubel is shutting down and setting Brice and Romain Feillu free, along with David Le Lay, Sylvain Calzati and the iconic Christophe Moreau. Cofidis and FdJ seem to have a large number of roster spots up in the air.
Lampre and Liquigas have a lot of decisions to make, though Ballan's return to Lampre probably locks up a lot of their potentially available cash.
Katusha are still the Yankees of the transfer market, very active and well-funded, though the bigger picture can be a little hard to decipher. In any event, they will be losing a fair number of guys, so J-Rod isn't likely the last splashy pickup they make.
Caisse d'Epargne... CQ puts a lot of guys in the "stay or out" category, which might just mean we don't know, or that their contracts are up. In any event, I wouldn't say for sure that they will be big players, but they're definitely a team to watch. Certainly as long as Contador is on the market. Here's a rumor I'll start: they let J-Rod go to clear some cash off the books for the Accountant! May or may not be true... and doesn't square with some analysis from the J-Rod thread. But you can't stop a good rumor.
Fuji-Servetto are even more volatile, and not exactly out of cash. Sleeper!
CQRanking seems to have a lot of moves at Columbia, stating as done a Hincapie-to-BMC deal. I can't find anything on that, nor am I certain that Lovkvist and Boasson Hagen are off to Sky, but they do have another boatload of talented guys coming in (Velitses, Bakelandts, Gieselinck, Van Garderen) so it wouldn't shock me.
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Posted on 17-08-2009 21:36
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Good reading..kind of transfer rally quide.
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Posted on 17-08-2009 22:10
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i think sojasun can replace agritubel and will be real force in french races with Casper in sprints, Joly in hilly stage races like tour de picardie , elto de besseges or 4 days of denkerque and Coppel in french BIG stage races like Paris-Nice, Dauphine and maybe even tour de france. |
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Posted on 17-08-2009 22:13
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Cause, of course, Coppel has so far shown that ability... or not.
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Posted on 18-08-2009 00:28
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rjc_43 wrote:
Cause, of course, Coppel has so far shown that ability... or not.
Whatever the reason for it, he climbed with as much power as Bernard Hinault this previous tour.
I think he has shown he has the potential to break out and be a tour contender in the future, so you might as well give him the keys to the car now. I mean, if your going for a French team, who else are you going to stick in there? |
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Posted on 18-08-2009 05:42
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Not be an arse Deadpool, but that was Le Mevel
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Posted on 18-08-2009 08:39
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Coppel is more a timetrialer than a climber I think he will never climb as good as big riders. |
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Posted on 18-08-2009 08:47
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Yeah, the Coppel who retired on like stage 14 of the tour... uhuh. Great guy, gunna be the next best thing... or maybe you shouldn't believe PCM stats quite as rigidly.
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Posted on 18-08-2009 12:03
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schleck93 wrote:
Not be an arse Deadpool, but that was Le Mevel
just kidding, thats an example of me not thinking. But hey, at least when that happens I'm still smarter than at least one member of this site... |
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Posted on 18-08-2009 13:01
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rjc_43 wrote:
Yeah, the Coppel who retired on like stage 14 of the tour... uhuh. Great guy, gunna be the next best thing... or maybe you shouldn't believe PCM stats quite as rigidly.
Maybe because Coppel is very young, and a time trial specialist. You should not break down riders taht young, certainly not when they are in their first Tour de France.
Is that typical american behaviour or something?
Even a big champion like Basso for example never finished his first Giro!
Also Coppel had a good season for a young rider.
4th in the ITT of Criterium International and 6th in the GC
1st in the Route Adelie Vitre
11th on the Mont Faron in the Tour Meditterraneen and 18th in the GC
10th in the Tirreno time trial
8th in the prologue of the Tour de Romandie
11th in the prologue of the Dauphine Libere
15th in the prologue of the Tour de France
For a guy of 23 in his 2nd season as a professional, I think that is pretty good. He scored more than 250 CQ points and is in the top 200 of the CQ ranking.
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Posted on 18-08-2009 13:06
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Or not.
Do I go about telling YOU to shut it at every opportunity? No. So have some respect for other people's opinions. After all, you clearly aren't the best person to judge whether someone's talented or not. Or maybe whether they are boosting their talents...
Plus, I'm not an effing American. Don't EVER accuse me of that EVER again.
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Posted on 18-08-2009 14:34
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rjc_43 wrote:
Or not.
Do I go about telling YOU to shut it at every opportunity? No. So have some respect for other people's opinions. After all, you clearly aren't the best person to judge whether someone's talented or not. Or maybe whether they are boosting their talents...
Plus, I'm not an effing American. Don't EVER accuse me of that EVER again.
Wow. What's wrong with Americans?
You must be french. In the US that's what we use for insults.
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Posted on 18-08-2009 15:35
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KurtinSC wrote:
rjc_43 wrote:
Or not.
Do I go about telling YOU to shut it at every opportunity? No. So have some respect for other people's opinions. After all, you clearly aren't the best person to judge whether someone's talented or not. Or maybe whether they are boosting their talents...
Plus, I'm not an effing American. Don't EVER accuse me of that EVER again.
Wow. What's wrong with Americans?
You must be french. In the US that's what we use for insults.
Hahahahaa that is priceless What is wrong with Americans? So there are a lot of fatties here who eat too much McDonalds. That doesn't mean we are all fat and sleep with interns like our Democratic presidents all do |
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Posted on 18-08-2009 15:40
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chrica04 wrote:
That doesn't mean we are all fat and sleep with interns like our Democratic presidents all do
Or our republican congressmen.....
(don't get me wrong, I hate both the democrats and the republicans, but I find the republicans funnier when they bang there secretaries or Argentinean mistresses)
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