Paul23 wrote:
also I just wanted to say, that I simply love Jesleys, danny and Alaks db. Its the best db out here atm. The stats are well done and it gets frequent updates. If you want realism, go with this db!

Paul23 wrote:
also I just wanted to say, that I simply love Jesleys, danny and Alaks db. Its the best db out here atm. The stats are well done and it gets frequent updates. If you want realism, go with this db!

Tafiolmo wrote:


I totally agree with Paul, even though it's still great to challenge the stats and change a few. But yer I love Jesley's stats.

This is what I first went with Kristoff and Degenkolb about a week ago:

Kristoff Cobble 80 Flat 79 Hill 74 Sprint 81 Acc 78 Stamina 81
Degenkolb Cobble 80 Flat 79 Hill 73 Sprint 80 Acc 80 Stamina 80

Now:

Kristoff Cobble 80 Flat 79 Hill 74 Sprint 81 Acc 78 Stamina 80
Degenkolb Cobble 81 Flat 79 Hill 73 Sprint 80 Acc 80 Stamina 79

I dropped the stamina of each by a point to eliminate some of their advantage over the other cobbled men and also surprisingly to largely to keep in line with some of the best Ardennes men like Gilbert and Gerrans who I have at 79 stamina (even though we'll see if Gerrans warrants that this year)

Tafiolmo wrote:
He's 81 cobble not flat, in flat he's 79.

Tafiolmo wrote:
hahaha

Anyway my top flat stats above 80 are:

81- Cancellara
80- Martin, Boonen, Terpstra

Paul23 wrote:


Although(maybe I'm biased) Tony should be equal with Cance in this case. He has the best engine in the Peloton, imo.

Tafiolmo wrote:


Well I have him 83TT whereas Cancellara is 80 in TT.

AiZaK wrote:
Why Valverde and Aru you give now 79???

Paul23 wrote:


I meant the FL stat

Tafiolmo wrote:
I have no problem putting Martin to 81 flat. I have Aru at 80 as he is a potential Giro winner and expect him to finish on the podium in this Giro. Valverde I still have at 80 mountain which still keeps him good enough to finish 3rd/4th in most tours, which is a level he's still at I believe.

Naxela wrote:


I won the last Tour de France i rode on Jesleyh's db, I won it with Contador while Valverde came in second (he was 80 in mountains i remember), but the weird thing is that Kwiatkowski who had 76-77 in mountains was third until the last TT on stage 20, Froome beat him with a couple of seconds and took the last podium. My point is that Valverde could still finish on the podium in tours with 79 but you are right, he really deserves 80. He has proven more in the mountains than Richie Porte in my opinion.

Jesleyh wrote:
About Valv:

Alak and I easily agreed about him being put on 79.
He really wasn't great in Le Tour, nor was he great in other, later, mountainous races, like his performance at the Green Mountain(arguable though because form) and La Molina, which is the only Catalunya stage that could be rated mountainous(although HI will even weigh).
He was alright in the Vuelta though.

With Valverde, it's important to understand that his HI value favours him a lot. Sure, his HI stat won't help him at Mont Ventoux, but at nearly every other mountain stage, he will be helped with his HI stat.

I'd say the La Molina stage would be 70% MO, 30% HI, by the way, but that's a rough guess, could even be a bit less MO.
Plus, don't forget that Valv has extraordinary backup stats for a 79MO climber.

Valverde will most probably feel like a 80MO in game.

Regarding Porte,
His early season form was fantastic and therefore 80 was justified, or at least that's what we thought. Porte will, if everything goes properly, not do very well at GTs, because of his REC stat which is very bad for a climber of his level.

Aru will most likely develop like a rocket in career mode and might be 80 by the time of the Giro. I want to see more of him before he recieved 80 in the DB, though.

Pozzo(and to a lesser extent Mollema) have been considered for 79MO because of their early seasons. For now they're on 78, but we did touch their backup stats a little bit.