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| valverde321 |
Posted on 06-09-2012 00:23
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Honestly, I dont think Contador is on his best form, meanwhile Purito and Valverde are/were on very good form.
I dont personally see Valverde being in the Top 5 climbers in the world (heck even Top 10 is a stretch).
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| aymen |
Posted on 06-09-2012 00:24
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valverde321 wrote:
Honestly, I dont think Contador is doped, meanwhile Purito and Valverde are/were on very good form.
I dont personally see Valverde being in the Top 5 climbers in the world (heck even Top 10 is a stretch).
Fair enough, ouf !!! a fan speaking plz
anyway in some point i corrected
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 06-09-2012 00:27
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aymen wrote:
more than four minutes to Tejay  makes him a good time trialist.
Peter Velits finished Third at La vuelta 2010 if you don't count the TT, he is fifth so that's makes him the 5 most powerful Climber in the world at that time,Jurgen was fifth at the TDF, and he is the weakest TTrialist in the first ten(exept for andy and Rodriguez) so will you say that Velits and Vdb will make equal games. No sorry.And don't forget that Vdb lost almost 2 minutes in les belles filles
so if VdB looses 2minutes up a mountains he must be a good climber!
ah i get it now! 
ermmm VdB has never finished 5th in a tour... he's been 4th twice...
I never said he wasn't good at climbing. But as of now, and in my opinion if they both peak for the same GT, i think that Valverde will be the better climber
With Peter, in theory yes that would make him 3rd best.
to clarify, VdB wouldnt be 4th, as Rolland and Pinot were better climbers at this TDF, so that makes him 6th. Against Valv's 3rd thats yet more condemning evidence
Dont forget the best climber doesnt have to be the best GT rider
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 06-09-2012 00:29
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aymen wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
i raise you one Charly Gaul in 1958!!! the ultimate long range attack
Contador couldn't see that attack due to the lack of technology back then
which is why i've watched it..... not all of it obviously, but i've seen it
and Contador may have
do you want a more recent example? cause i can name plenty
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 06-09-2012 00:33
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TheManxMissile wrote:
aymen wrote:
more than four minutes to Tejay makes him a good time trialist.
Peter Velits finished Third at La vuelta 2010 if you don't count the TT, he is fifth so that's makes him the 5 most powerful Climber in the world at that time,Jurgen was fifth at the TDF, and he is the weakest TTrialist in the first ten(exept for andy and Rodriguez) so will you say that Velits and Vdb will make equal games. No sorry.And don't forget that Vdb lost almost 2 minutes in les belles filles
so if VdB looses 2minutes up a mountains he must be a good climber!
ah i get it now!
ermmm VdB has never finished 5th in a tour... he's been 4th twice...
I never said he wasn't good at climbing. But as of now, and in my opinion if they both peak for the same GT, i think that Valverde will be the better climber
With Peter, in theory yes that would make him 3rd best.
to clarify, VdB wouldnt be 4th, as Rolland and Pinot were better climbers at this TDF, so that makes him 6th. Against Valv's 3rd thats yet more condemning evidence
Dont forget the best climber doesnt have to be the best GT rider
The problem is, you are using GT results and grading riders by climbing ability from that. Peter Velits is no way "in theory" the 3rd best climber. I believe he won the final TT, and gained lots of time on some of the poor climbers. I didn't see that Vuelta, but I'd bet he wasn't even 3rd best climber in that Vuelta.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 06-09-2012 00:37
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valverde321 wrote:
The problem is, you are using GT results and grading riders by climbing ability from that. Peter Velits is no way "in theory" the 3rd best climber. I believe he won the final TT, and gained lots of time on some of the poor climbers. I didn't see that Vuelta, but I'd bet he wasn't even 3rd best climber in that Vuelta.
Your right, Velits probably wasn't the 3rd best climber
I was trying to use other measures/results
and i tryed to make the point GT doesnt equal climbing, sorry if that got lost
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| aymen |
Posted on 06-09-2012 00:39
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valverde321 wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
aymen wrote:
more than four minutes to Tejay makes him a good time trialist.
Peter Velits finished Third at La vuelta 2010 if you don't count the TT, he is fifth so that's makes him the 5 most powerful Climber in the world at that time,Jurgen was fifth at the TDF, and he is the weakest TTrialist in the first ten(exept for andy and Rodriguez) so will you say that Velits and Vdb will make equal games. No sorry.And don't forget that Vdb lost almost 2 minutes in les belles filles
so if VdB looses 2minutes up a mountains he must be a good climber!
ah i get it now!
ermmm VdB has never finished 5th in a tour... he's been 4th twice...
I never said he wasn't good at climbing. But as of now, and in my opinion if they both peak for the same GT, i think that Valverde will be the better climber
With Peter, in theory yes that would make him 3rd best.
to clarify, VdB wouldnt be 4th, as Rolland and Pinot were better climbers at this TDF, so that makes him 6th. Against Valv's 3rd thats yet more condemning evidence
Dont forget the best climber doesnt have to be the best GT rider
The problem is, you are using GT results and grading riders by climbing ability from that. Peter Velits is no way "in theory" the 3rd best climber. I believe he won the final TT, and gained lots of time on some of the poor climbers. I didn't see that Vuelta, but I'd bet he wasn't even 3rd best climber in that Vuelta.
He was fifth without the TT
Manxmile VDB was Fourth in 2010 but after the banissement of Contador
Spoiler
1-Contador
2-Schleck
3-Menchow
4-Sanchez
5-VDb
And when i say he lost 2 minutes in la plache des belles filles, i mean he got a mechanical problem at the last 5 km
And the difference between Rolland,Pinot and VDB in the time trial is not really big,Vdb won almost 2 minutes that he lost in both the TT and Rolland was six minutes after.And don't forget that third in the Vuelta are not worth more than fifth in the Tour.
Edited by aymen on 06-09-2012 00:41
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 06-09-2012 00:47
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aymen wrote:
He was fifth without the TT
Manxmile VDB was Fourth in 2010 but after the banissement of Contador
Spoiler
1-Contador
2-Schleck
3-Menchow
4-Sanchez
5-VDb
And when i say he lost 2 minutes in la plache des belles filles, i mean he got a mechanical problem at the last 5 km
And the difference between Rolland,Pinot and VDB in the time trial is not really big,Vdb won almost 2 minutes that he lost in both the TT.And don't forget that third in the Vuelta are not worth more than fifth in the Tour.
nice to see you correcting yourself
already said he was 4th, you got it wrong
If VdB really is that good a cliimber why didn't he try and win a stage like Rolland and Pinot, or even attack Wiggins and Froome? or is 4th better than 1st...
I dont really have a problem with VdB being a better climber than Valverde, its all a matter of opinion
What really pissed me off was the stupid ass picture response. That was just downright disrespectful! A well reasoned answer with a valid argument is fine, i may even change my mind, but that was wrong. Whats worse is that you then get your facts wrong. and this is hardly the first time either... Nothing wrong with opinion or debate, as long as its done in a well meaning, respectful way... christ you've wound me up tonight
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| Schleck96 |
Posted on 06-09-2012 00:52
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Correction: VdB had the mechanical before PDBF, not in the last 5 km  |
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| aymen |
Posted on 06-09-2012 01:05
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TheManxMissile wrote:
aymen wrote:
He was fifth without the TT
Manxmile VDB was Fourth in 2010 but after the banissement of Contador
Spoiler
1-Contador
2-Schleck
3-Menchow
4-Sanchez
5-VDb
And when i say he lost 2 minutes in la plache des belles filles, i mean he got a mechanical problem at the last 5 km
And the difference between Rolland,Pinot and VDB in the time trial is not really big,Vdb won almost 2 minutes that he lost in both the TT.And don't forget that third in the Vuelta are not worth more than fifth in the Tour.
nice to see you correcting yourself
already said he was 4th, you got it wrong
If VdB really is that good a cliimber why didn't he try and win a stage like Rolland and Pinot, or even attack Wiggins and Froome? or is 4th better than 1st...
I dont really have a problem with VdB being a better climber than Valverde, its all a matter of opinion
What really pissed me off was the stupid ass picture response. That was just downright disrespectful! A well reasoned answer with a valid argument is fine, i may even change my mind, but that was wrong. Whats worse is that you then get your facts wrong. and this is hardly the first time either... Nothing wrong with opinion or debate, as long as its done in a well meaning, respectful way... christ you've wound me up tonight
euh sorry don't think bad anyway if i showed a disrespect for you or others i present my excuses.But I think Vdb was too close in the general to try an attack and he loose almost 8 minutes in the two time trial to wiggins and finished 10 minutes after, he attacked a lot but froome catched him(always with Rolland exept in la toussuire).
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| aymen |
Posted on 06-09-2012 01:08
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Schleck96 wrote:
Correction: VdB had the mechanical before PDBF, not in the last 5 km
By the way you remembred me of Schleck saying:
"I wanted to show something new this year and show my progress to the world but i got injured and couldn't do a thing... I will not do Gp Fourmies but I hope doing a race this year"
WTF, The injury should be healed before the olympic games and now it's one mounth more, I'm sure he find a way to be lazy at his house.
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| aymen |
Posted on 06-09-2012 01:11
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Maybe he schould do it for real:
https://www.youtub...sHiSVc8FRI
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 06-09-2012 01:21
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aymen wrote:
euh sorry don't think bad anyway if i showed a disrespect for you or others i present my excuses.
dont worry, usually im fine with that sort of thing
just got to me tonight was all
and im leaving the arguement, cause clearly we're not going to agree
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| Schleck96 |
Posted on 06-09-2012 01:21
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| aymen |
Posted on 06-09-2012 01:23
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Schleck96 wrote:
Dude one thing:
everytime i remember that i missed something and everytime i write a new message and forget to edit
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 06-09-2012 06:18
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What a race yesterday!!!
You are my here Alberto, i knew Rodriguez will crack at some point,fantastic action packed stage, one of the best in a long time. 
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 06-09-2012 06:20
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
No doubt a deserving winner. Feel sorry for Purito though. 
I cant for someone who is not trying to win anything more than stages with this wheelsucking, it costed him the Giro, it costed him the Vuelta...
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 06-09-2012 06:30
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alexkr00 wrote:
Andy Schleck who taught contador this attack
One of the best jokes i read in a long time
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| Smowz |
Posted on 06-09-2012 08:17
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Just wanted to echo the comments on here - followed the stage at work yesterday when someone kumazan said before TV coverage that Contador had attacked and Purito had let him go on an earlier climb.
That was certainly the stage of the year in a Grand Tour for me, non stop drama all the way to the line. Contador deserves huge credit for that, as does his team - was this Riis mastermind?
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| solano |
Posted on 06-09-2012 08:45
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wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
Didn't he do it in Paris-Nice the day after he cracked? And hasn't the long range attack been done even before then (what was it, 2010?)? Chiapucci? I'm sure someone who's been concentrating for a lot longer could provide a wealth of examples.
Chiapupucci did a solo attack of 245km to Sestriere in the '92 Tour. I remember watching it as Indurain and Bugno slowly reeled him in but they never caught him. |
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