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Critérium du Dauphiné 2012 | 3rd - 10th June
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 08-06-2012 00:23
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I don't post much in cycling threads but let's look at a bit of history. Wiogins the new Lance? 
Who's this Wiogins chap then he he  |
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| CountArach |
Posted on 08-06-2012 00:34
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CLURPR wrote:
CountArach wrote:
ianrussell wrote:
CountArach wrote:
ianrussell wrote:
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Wiggins has peaked way too early.
Well that remains to be seen but damned if you do and damned if you don't at the Dauphine 
Dauphine is a warmup race for the Tour. If you come around the top 10 that is a good sign. Beating Tony Martin in a time trial by 34" is not a good sign.
As I say time will tell though Evans finsihing as high as 2nd last year didn't seem to do him any harm at the Tour
Evans has always had freakishly good recovery though.
Ian I wouldn't listen to Arach, all he ever seems to do is moan and knock Wiggins
Because he is fairly overrated as a GT rider and I like to stir up British cycling fans
EDIT: And for the record I do believe that he will win the Tour this year but partially because Evans isn't on the same form this year as he was last year and I don't see many other favourites with a chance to really compete.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 08-06-2012 06:36
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ruben wrote:
I know. According to Vaughters Wiggins is the most incredible athlete from an physiological point of view he had ever seen. Especially his oxygen carrying capacity is amazing. (not to be mistaken by Vo2/Vo2max which according to Vaughters is an old outdated concept)
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 08-06-2012 06:36
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Plus Evans may be getting too old.
Wiggins is likely to win time in the TT, but in the mountains, he's destined to lose time, I believe.
Unless it'll be like Giro, but either way is good,
if he holds on, he deserves the win, if he drops, Evans deserves the win. If someone else races well, he deserves to win.
Easy, no?  |
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| samdiatmh |
Posted on 08-06-2012 08:44
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don't really understand how fenian's post proves anything really
can't be a good sign for Wiggins to beat Martin by half a minute if he's not peaking for June/early July
i know Martin said that he had an off day, but the results don't lie
also, can't see this TDF being as boring as the giro
guys l;ike the Schlecks HAVE to attack, but then i can see Evans and Wiggins marking each other and then deciding it in the TTs
as to Wiggins being a good climber, stage15 of last year's Vuelta says hi!
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 08-06-2012 09:18
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samdiatmh wrote:
don't really understand how fenian's post proves anything really
can't be a good sign for Wiggins to beat Martin by half a minute if he's not peaking for June/early July
i know Martin said that he had an off day, but the results don't lie
also, can't see this TDF being as boring as the giro
guys l;ike the Schlecks HAVE to attack, but then i can see Evans and Wiggins marking each other and then deciding it in the TTs
as to Wiggins being a good climber, stage15 of last year's Vuelta says hi!
Wiggins is a good climber. The question though: is he good enough? |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 08-06-2012 10:08
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samdiatmh wrote:
as to Wiggins being a good climber, stage15 of last year's Vuelta says hi!
Froome and Cobo as the biggest opponents says Goodbye!
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| shraggi |
Posted on 08-06-2012 10:17
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samdiatmh wrote:
don't really understand how fenian's post proves anything really
can't be a good sign for Wiggins to beat Martin by half a minute if he's not peaking for June/early July
i know Martin said that he had an off day, but the results don't lie
also, can't see this TDF being as boring as the giro
guys l;ike the Schlecks HAVE to attack, but then i can see Evans and Wiggins marking each other and then deciding it in the TTs
as to Wiggins being a good climber, stage15 of last year's Vuelta says hi!
Guys like Schleck will attack, yet with the amount of strength Wiggins has in his team, they will be able to suitably limit the amount of damage inflicted as they will restrain the climbers until close to the end of stages as the stages arent decisive or hard enough to drop Porte and Froome etc.
Also as to Nibali being a good climber, last year's Vuelta says high
"That stage will start full gas, be ridden full gas and will finish full gas"
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| Teddy The Creator |
Posted on 08-06-2012 12:00
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
samdiatmh wrote:
as to Wiggins being a good climber, stage15 of last year's Vuelta says hi!
Froome and Cobo as the biggest opponents says Goodbye!
Isn't Froome gonna win the Tour though? He's the best in the world! Oh wait sorry just remembered I'm not Alakagom.
Kidding though, I can call myself a bit of a Sky fanboy too.
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 08-06-2012 12:03
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
samdiatmh wrote:
as to Wiggins being a good climber, stage15 of last year's Vuelta says hi!
Froome and Cobo as the biggest opponents says Goodbye!
Is there anything even comparable to the Angliru on this Tour route?
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 08-06-2012 12:04
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Sky is not letting any break go. After 58km, many riders tried, but none succeed yet.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 08-06-2012 12:17
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wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
samdiatmh wrote:
as to Wiggins being a good climber, stage15 of last year's Vuelta says hi!
Froome and Cobo as the biggest opponents says Goodbye!
Is there anything even comparable to the Angliru on this Tour route?
No, it is not, i was just reffering to his claim in the same style.
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| ruben |
Posted on 08-06-2012 12:48
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Wggins, so far, has always faltered in at least 1 mountain stage in a GT.
This year is his best year ever so far. And he seems significantly stronger. But we have yet to see Wiggins in multiple mountain stages. Paris Nice was pretty weak with only Mende finish which is not exactly a HC col.
Romandie was even worse with all the group sprints.
Dauphine will only have Joux Plane as real serious mountain stage so it still doesn't tell us anything about how Wiggins will handle multiple mountain stages.
We'll have to find out in the Tour. Things are looking good now. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 08-06-2012 13:23
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Aquarius wrote:
ruben wrote:
I know. According to Vaughters Wiggins is the most incredible athlete from an physiological point of view he had ever seen. Especially his oxygen carrying capacity is amazing. (not to be mistaken by Vo2/Vo2max which according to Vaughters is an old outdated concept)
Care to elaborate ? Just read Vaughters twitter. He was going on and on about it yesterday.
Vaughters basically states that from a pure physiological point of view. Wiggins should be a level above the rest... |
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 08-06-2012 13:23
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ruben wrote:
Wggins, so far, has always faltered in at least 1 mountain stage in a GT.
This year is his best year ever so far. And he seems significantly stronger. But we have yet to see Wiggins in multiple mountain stages. Paris Nice was pretty weak with only Mende finish which is not exactly a HC col.
Romandie was even worse with all the group sprints.
Dauphine will only have Joux Plane as real serious mountain stage so it still doesn't tell us anything about how Wiggins will handle multiple mountain stages.
We'll have to find out in the Tour. Things are looking good now.
I've noticed that in mountain top finishes he just sits in and gets a ride to the finish, but i would love to see him attack more and see what he achieve's and to see how the other GC contenders react  |
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| felix_29 |
Posted on 08-06-2012 13:27
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sutty68 wrote:
ruben wrote:
Wggins, so far, has always faltered in at least 1 mountain stage in a GT.
This year is his best year ever so far. And he seems significantly stronger. But we have yet to see Wiggins in multiple mountain stages. Paris Nice was pretty weak with only Mende finish which is not exactly a HC col.
Romandie was even worse with all the group sprints.
Dauphine will only have Joux Plane as real serious mountain stage so it still doesn't tell us anything about how Wiggins will handle multiple mountain stages.
We'll have to find out in the Tour. Things are looking good now.
I've noticed that in mountain top finishes he just sits in and gets a ride to the finish, but i would love to see him attack more and see what he achieve's and to see how the other GC contenders react
If he attacks, he´ll finish far behind. He simply isn´t the kind of rider who is able to change the rhytym.
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 08-06-2012 13:30
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felix_29 wrote:
sutty68 wrote:
ruben wrote:
Wggins, so far, has always faltered in at least 1 mountain stage in a GT.
This year is his best year ever so far. And he seems significantly stronger. But we have yet to see Wiggins in multiple mountain stages. Paris Nice was pretty weak with only Mende finish which is not exactly a HC col.
Romandie was even worse with all the group sprints.
Dauphine will only have Joux Plane as real serious mountain stage so it still doesn't tell us anything about how Wiggins will handle multiple mountain stages.
We'll have to find out in the Tour. Things are looking good now.
I've noticed that in mountain top finishes he just sits in and gets a ride to the finish, but i would love to see him attack more and see what he achieve's and to see how the other GC contenders react
If he attacks, he´ll finish far behind. He simply isn´t the kind of rider who is able to change the rhytym.
It would be nice to see him ride off up the road on his own, but unfortunately it won't happen so i agree with your comment |
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| fickman |
Posted on 08-06-2012 13:41
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Juan José Cobo (MOV) has quit the race. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 08-06-2012 13:43
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fickman wrote:
Juan José Cobo (MOV) has quit the race.
Looking like another shit year at Movistar for Cobo. Cobo and Unzue just don't go well together |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 08-06-2012 13:51
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Meh, he had 70 CQ points last year by now, so it's not that different. He just needs to "peak" whenever he wants. Also with his awesome 60th place in Romandie he has 5 CQ points, which is his all-time record in a non-MatxÃn team.
Edited by kumazan on 08-06-2012 13:52
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