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Tour de France 2012: Pre-Race thread
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| Vien |
Posted on 27-06-2012 17:00
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Chris Anker Sorensen is. Hoogerland claimed to, but the context is a little bit unclear: Is he going for the jersey or does he want to win the classification? Scarponi is a case of "I'll attack in the mountains and see".
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 27-06-2012 17:02
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Dan Martin obviously  And some French rider as always too, Roy could be good bet.
Edited by Alakagom on 27-06-2012 17:02
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| climeon |
Posted on 27-06-2012 17:06
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Alakagom wrote:
Dan Martin obviously And some French rider as always too, Roy could be good bet.
Dan is still undecided. From what I've seen in interviews, his main focus will be a stage and if he happens to be in a good breakaway for KOM where he can mop up all the points in all the climbs, then he will go for it. |
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| CountArach |
Posted on 27-06-2012 17:06
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Alakagom wrote:
Dan Martin obviously And some French rider as always too, Roy could be good bet.
I'd like to see Voeckler try for it but I don't think he will be given much freedom after last year.
Moncoutie to get the Tour and Vuelta KOM jersey in one year?
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| Eden95 |
Posted on 27-06-2012 17:21
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I think that Pinot might try for it, Maybe Di Gregorio or Matt Lloyd. I don't think Vanendert will go for it.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 27-06-2012 19:32
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Vanendert's going mainly for stage win and work for VdB |
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| ruben |
Posted on 27-06-2012 19:48
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Ian Butler wrote:
I personally see VdB performing better than Gesink in this tour, if nothing goes wrong. Ofcourse, that would be more logical since JvdB didn't break his leg 8 months ago. Otherwise I would have challenged you on that one. But now it's not real to expect Gesink to do better |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 27-06-2012 19:51
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ruben wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
I personally see VdB performing better than Gesink in this tour, if nothing goes wrong. Ofcourse, that would be more logical since JvdB didn't break his leg 8 months ago. Otherwise I would have challenged you on that one. But now it's not real to expect Gesink to do better
That's one of the reasons I said that 
I'm not saying Gesink is bad, but with the leg and with the great TT of VdB in Dauphinée, he appears to be in great shape and best of all, his training went smoothly, not much sickness etc. That's all important when it comes to TDF. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 27-06-2012 20:33
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I think ITT wise Gesink will be better. But not on the mountains and 3rd week |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 27-06-2012 20:42
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ofcorse Rabo should aim podium at least..no reason to be modest.
If it is not some kind of mental (no pressure) tactic
Edited by Guido Mukk on 27-06-2012 20:43
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 27-06-2012 20:47
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white jersey go's to...
Tejay van Garderen..Taaramäe will be second again |
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| Vien |
Posted on 27-06-2012 20:52
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Guido Mukk wrote:
white jersey go's to...
Tejay van Garderen..Taaramäe will be second again
Four possibilities: Van Garderen, Kruijswijk, Poels and Taaramäe
Van Garderen has to help Evans, and I don't think he has too many ambitions. Last year the econd BMCer got like 60th, and he can still go for it next year.
Kruijswijk has to work for Mollema and Gesink, and has a weaker TT than Van Garderen and Taaramäe. Favourite if the Tour gets decided on the climbs, but I don't think that'll happen.
Peols said he's hunting stages, and his TT is waay too weak, unless he finds himself in the right breakaway once or twice I can't see a reason why he would win.
Taaramäe has got the whole team behind him, the most GC experience and the best TTing skills. Question is whether he has recovered from his trouble earlier this season. His TT is really good again, but what about his climbing and endurance?
In my Tourpoule I'm going for Taaramäe, but it's something I keep on thinking about when I'm in bed :/
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 27-06-2012 21:11
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few weeks ago..he had enough power..but not stamina at all.
This is 50-50 chanche..will he survive that final week. Problem is..that he's final descent race was at march
Best Taaramäe is when he can climb with own speed (Alpe d'Huez last year..he had bad day..was droped early...came back ..and then climbed he's career best climb)..and when he is top form..this will be world class speed. Only then he can beat van Garderen |
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 27-06-2012 21:18
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Guido Mukk wrote:
few weeks ago..he had enough power..but not stamina at all.
This is 50-50 chanche..will he survive that final week. Problem is..that he's final descent race was at march
Best Taaramäe is when he can climb with own speed (Alpe d'Huez last year..he had bad day..was droped early...came back ..and then climbed he's career best climb)..and when he is top form..this will be world class speed. Only then he can beat van Garderen
Van Garderen's climbing is very overrated if you ask me. And also, he seems to overestimate himself sometimes.
Mount Baldy for example. He tried to stay with Gesink for too long, cracked and got passed by several riders to finish almost a minute and a half down.
Also, Suisse last year. He was clearly in great shape, judging by his prologue and first few stages. Then he struggled as soon as they hit the mountains and ended up outside the Top 10 overall, after a terrible last time trial. His recovery needs to improve too before I'll see him as a contender in the GTs.
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| ruben |
Posted on 27-06-2012 21:22
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Kruijswijk >>>>>>> van garderen
9th in one of the hardest giro's >>>> all van garderen ever did
Guido I have no idea how you can rate Van Garderen above Kruijswijk.
Edited by ruben on 27-06-2012 21:22
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 27-06-2012 21:26
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How do you guys see the chances of Mark Renshaw winning against Tony Gallapin and Tyler Farrar beating Alessandro Petacchi in the points classification? You can get the money 1.70 again for Renshaw and 1.85 for Farrar... personally i think both are great odds, but what do you think?
So far i have Nibali in the top-6 to 2,92 and Rein for the overall youth classification to 7. Also Rabobank will finish above Movistar in the overall team classification. to 1,80.
Edited by Riis123 on 27-06-2012 21:27
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 27-06-2012 21:59
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ruben wrote:
Kruijswijk >>>>>>> van garderen
9th in one of the hardest giro's >>>> all van garderen ever did
Guido I have no idea how you can rate Van Garderen above Kruijswijk.
TT and Paris-Nice..ofcorse tour mountains are different..but they wont be also 2011 Giro
Edited by Guido Mukk on 27-06-2012 22:01
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| Vien |
Posted on 27-06-2012 22:05
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@Riis123: Ah I think I got your question wrong  As explained in the other topic, Renshaw should win over Gallopin in my opinion. I think Petacchi can win over Farrar, because I don't see Farrar sprinting in intermediates, and Farrar has no leadout.
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 27-06-2012 22:10
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Vien wrote:
@Riis123: Ah I think I got your question wrong As explained in the other topic, Renshaw should win over Gallopin in my opinion. I think Petacchi can win over Farrar, because I don't see Farrar sprinting in intermediates, and Farrar has no leadout.
Farrar has, Van Summeren, Zabriskie, Hunter, and Millar, although, Ale Jet does have Bole, Hondo, and Vigano, who are probably better.
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Guido Mukk wrote:
few weeks ago..he had enough power..but not stamina at all.
This is 50-50 chanche..will he survive that final week. Problem is..that he's final descent race was at march
Best Taaramäe is when he can climb with own speed (Alpe d'Huez last year..he had bad day..was droped early...came back ..and then climbed he's career best climb)..and when he is top form..this will be world class speed. Only then he can beat van Garderen
Van Garderen's climbing is very overrated if you ask me. And also, he seems to overestimate himself sometimes.
Mount Baldy for example. He tried to stay with Gesink for too long, cracked and got passed by several riders to finish almost a minute and a half down.
Also, Suisse last year. He was clearly in great shape, judging by his prologue and first few stages. Then he struggled as soon as they hit the mountains and ended up outside the Top 10 overall, after a terrible last time trial. His recovery needs to improve too before I'll see him as a contender in the GTs.
And completely agree. Its like his Mountain stat just shot up, after that break in the Tour where he got the polka dots. I think we need to remember who won the Polka dots in 2010...
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 27-06-2012 22:15
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Vien wrote:
@Riis123: Ah I think I got your question wrong As explained in the other topic, Renshaw should win over Gallopin in my opinion. I think Petacchi can win over Farrar, because I don't see Farrar sprinting in intermediates, and Farrar has no leadout.
I decided to delete it cause i felt that it afterall didn't belonged there - but i saw your answer and apreciated it. Exactly Gallopins duties kan force him to not participate in the uphill sprints, while Renshaw pretty much is free to try and win in mass sprints like Freire was back in the days.
On Farrar/Petacchi my thoughts was that Petacchi ia getting older and has lost a lot of top speed. Farrar as lost a little as well, but is still faster than Petacchi. Your thoughts about Petacchi riding for the intermediates are interesting and surely something i will consider, even though I think he will realize pretty fast that he doesn't stand a chance in that competition and instead focusing solely on getting a victory.
But thank you, I apreciate it . I'll later post all my bets in a seperate thread.
Edited by Riis123 on 27-06-2012 22:16
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