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Tour de France 11 Stage 14: Saint-Gaudens > Plateau de Beille 168.5km
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| BouBBox |
Posted on 16-07-2011 22:38
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alexkr00 wrote:
sosososik wrote:
Just downloaded the stage to time the climb.
Vanendert climbed the Plateau de Beille in 46:04 minutes.Voeckler in 46:52.
It's not probably the best source when it comes to cycling, but Wikipedia says it one minute faster than that https://en.wikiped..._de_Beille
French Wikipedia says something else :
https://fr.wikiped..._de_Beille
Edited by BouBBox on 16-07-2011 22:38
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 16-07-2011 22:38
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I suppose it mostly depends on where you start timing from ? |
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Posted on 16-07-2011 22:39
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issoisso wrote:
There's also the Galibier stage, but the only gap that stage will cause is when the sprinters get dropped.
Disagree. There will be at least some small gaps in the last km of Galibier. 
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 16-07-2011 22:41
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Roman wrote:
issoisso wrote:
There's also the Galibier stage, but the only gap that stage will cause is when the sprinters get dropped.
Disagree. There will be at least some small gaps in the last km of Galibier.
Nope, too hard. There's a good chance you will see Andy attacking from kilometer 2 to 4 of the climb though
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| BouBBox |
Posted on 16-07-2011 22:41
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Aquarius wrote:
I suppose it mostly depends on where you start timing from ?
Still weird :
English Wikipedia :
2011 : Jelle Vanendert : 45:04
2004 : Lance Armstron : 45:30
French wikipedia :
2011 : Jelle Vanendert : 46:04
2004 : Lance Armstrong : 45:30
2011 isn't clear yet :S
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| kumazan |
Posted on 16-07-2011 22:43
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Ok, I'll go point by point to explain what I mean.
BouBBox wrote:
And by the way,
Stage 1: TTT vs uphill sprint. Tour marginally better
sure what an exciting TTT! "marginally"
A uphill sprint is still a sprint, and it was very predictable, with Gilbert winning with one leg. Nothing happened in this stage to say it was interesting other than falls.
BouBBox wrote:Stage 5: exciting sterrato stage vs sprint. Giro clearly better
Exciting? I was really waiting for Strade; result 1 attack : Gadret vs Weening, Gadret couldn't follow, and a peleton sprint in last km! Exciting 
There were some attacks, including Nibali doing one of his crazy descents. So yeah, much better than a bunch sprint.
BouBBox wrote:Stage 6: sprint after some uphill kms vs easy uphill sprint. Giro better
wtf? why please?lots happend too in the finish of the TdF (Malori, Voeckler/Vanendert)
Lots happened too in the Giro stage, plus seeing Movistar put a strong pace in the uphill kms and the sprint between Ventoso and Petacchi was pretty good, as opposed to EBH's wasy win.
BouBBox wrote:Stage 7: easy muntain stage vs sprint. Giro marginally better
Well nothing happend in the Mountain stage, De Clerq attacked and nothing until 500m from the finish. Disappointing mountain stage, but if any mountain stage=better then any flat ok np.
At least there was some excitement as it was never clear if De Clercq was going to make it to the finish. The 7th stage in the Tour was a total yawnage, with predictable result.
BouBBox wrote:Stage 9: mountain stage with decent attacks vs hilly stage with a consented breakaway.
Decent attacks? 1attack Contador easy win, how exciting
Contador did attack more than once to drop Rujano. Plus Rujano attacked before and Scarponi attacked too, but he blew up and was caught by the rest of the favorites.
BouBBox wrote:Stage 10: sprint vs sprint
Don't forget the yellow and green jersey getting out in the final
True. This Tour stage was better than its Giro counterpart. Didn't remember that.
BouBBox wrote:Stage 13: not too exciting mountain stage vs mountain stage with consented breakaway. Giro marginally better
You don't like breakaways do you? It was a nice ride between Roy and Hushovd, Giro stage was BORING, Contador and Rujano get out quite early in the last climb no match between them Contador leaves the victory.
I like breakaways. Consented breakaways I don't like that much, though. Thor's ride was awesome, specially wearing the rainbow jersey, but seeing the favourites profane the Aubisque in that way was disgusting.
BouBBox wrote:Stage 14: Zoncolan vs today's shame of a race. Grio MUCH better
Just because it is the Zoncolan doesn't make it better, Exactly the same situation with Vanendert <=> Anton
Exactly the same? Come on! You need to watch that stage again.
BouBBox wrote: But I am respecting your point of view, to each his own.
I didn't see relevant attacks except from Contadors in the Giro but I've might have missed something. There was a few attacks in the two mounta stages,not going far but still.(Franck, Andy, even Basso tried)
And you don't have to be agressive and mean, what quote did I invent?
I'm not being aggressive, I don't know how did you get that impression. You said that the Giro threads were filled with comments such as:
"boring stage not sure I'm gonna watch it tomorow"
"Giro is over, let's watch something else"
Which is simply not true. There were people moaning about Contador's dominance, yeah, but nothing else. So, and that's (now it's true ) my last comment on this, we have to agree to disagree.
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 16-07-2011 22:48
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BouBBox wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
I suppose it mostly depends on where you start timing from ?
Still weird :
English Wikipedia :
2011 : Jelle Vanendert : 45:04
2004 : Lance Armstron : 45:30
French wikipedia :
2011 : Jelle Vanendert : 46:04
2004 : Lance Armstrong : 45:30
2011 isn't clear yet :S
Anyone with an Wiki account can edit it, I think. So I guess Aquarius is right, it depends from when they started timing.
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| BouBBox |
Posted on 16-07-2011 22:54
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Ok Kumazan  sorry I misunderstood your "intonation" xD hard to guess by reading :
Also inventing quotes doesn't make you right. anyway, I'm done with this. You seem to enjoy a succession of stages where nothing happens if that means a close fight for the GC. Fine. I don't. We agree to disagree.
Forget the "I think I don't like you"
but what did you mean by inventing quotes 
(if you can afford a last post xD)
Edited by BouBBox on 16-07-2011 22:55
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| Roman |
Posted on 16-07-2011 22:59
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alexkr00 wrote:
Nope, too hard. There's a good chance you will see Andy attacking from kilometer 2 to 4 of the climb though
If Andy will attacking there "so soon", you can choose my avatar to the end of the Vuelta then..
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 16-07-2011 23:04
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Roman wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
Nope, too hard. There's a good chance you will see Andy attacking from kilometer 2 to 4 of the climb though
If Andy will attacking there "so soon", you can choose my avatar to the end of the Vuelta then..
Well, that is the only part of the climb that looks like today's last kilometer...
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 16-07-2011 23:12
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Aquarius wrote:
mb2612 wrote:
Furthermore it gives the same W/kg as Thursday so agrees on a theoretical level as well
How much's the figure ?
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| lagetcher |
Posted on 16-07-2011 23:27
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Just seen the stage and should have expected that anti-climax. The biggest problem was Andy. It seemed to me that he had the strength to do some major damage today, but was more worried about Frank as usual, who had a bad day as soon as the temperature rose.
If Voeckler does go on to win the Tour, that would be incredible, though I don't know what to think about his big performance increase really. If Evans wins the Tour, the Schlecks will have some serious regretting to do. |
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| Roman |
Posted on 16-07-2011 23:45
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alexkr00 wrote:
Well, that is the only part of the climb that looks like today's last kilometer...
Yeah, it is the part of the climb where riders should attacking the most. And if somebody needs to attack in this situation, it's Andy. He has to attack there, because then, I really don't know where he hopes to gain at least 1 minute on Evans and probably on Voeckler too. And I don't really think, he can gain all of time he needs on Alpe d'Huez (and then there would be the same situation as on Galibier..). And it's needed to say - there is really low chance he will gain some decent time on others if he still will look for Frank and for Contador too - he can't look all the time for him, because there are some presumptions, that he will be his threat once again, he really isn't his biggest threat in this moment.. If he wants to win this Tour, he needs to gain some serious time and that he won't do without some proper attack as he did on Port de Bales before he dropped his chain off and do this without looking behind him, even if his brother isn't as good or better than him, otherwise he really can't win this. He seriously needs to do an ALL IN attack, but way earlier than in the last 200 meters of this stage like today.. He is probably the best climber here, but with bad tactics he will fail like Cancellara and Schlecks in this year's classics..
But in the end I will be happy (more or less) if this Tour will win anybody from Top 8, except of Evans and Contador..
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| niconico |
Posted on 17-07-2011 00:43
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Just watch the highlights from today and I'm speechless. That's down to Thomas Voeckler. WTF expresses my thoughts accurately on his performance. So just when did he become on the Top climbers in cycling? I'm not implying anything I'm just saying woah!
This was the most exciting stage I have watched for years. Ten riders unseperably on a climb like Plateau de Beille. I was literarily on the edge of my seat begging one of the other favourites to close the gap whenever Andy took off. He must not win this race pretty please!!
Haven't really paid much notice to the experts claiming Evans to be contender even after his strong showings throughout the first week and even after Luz Ardiden, but it doesn't seem all that unlikely right now eventhough I still feel overly confident that a guy like Andy is going to drop him heavily at one point. Again pretty pretty please, prove me wrong Cadel. ANYONE but Andy Schleck.
But how exciting is this Tour though. There are so many riders still in contention and I just don't know who to pick eventhough my brain is saying Andy, only because of Contador's knee injury. I really hope he can come into the Alps at 100% and hand it to him once again.
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Posted on 17-07-2011 00:49
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A_Schleck wrote:
ANYONE but Andy Schleck.
This is the really funny thing, at least for me, when I look on your nick name.. Why exactly you liked him when you have choosen this nick name and why you don't like him now - what happened? 
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| niconico |
Posted on 17-07-2011 00:55
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Roman wrote:
A_Schleck wrote:
ANYONE but Andy Schleck.
This is the really funny thing, at least for me, when I look on your nick name.. Why exactly you liked him when you have choosen this nick name and why you don't like him now - what happened?
Chose that name before his breakthrough in the 2007 Giro. Long time ago, and since then he has turned out to be a total schmuck. After hating my username for quite some time now though I'm working on a new one
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| Roman |
Posted on 17-07-2011 01:06
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A_Schleck wrote:
Chose that name before his breakthrough in the 2007 Giro. Long time ago, and since then he has turned out to be a total schmuck. After hating my username for quite some time now though I'm working on a new one
Hey, he is nice guy IMO, don't do this to me! 
Anyway, it's nice to hear you'll get a new username, finally!.. I can't wait for that.. I hope it will be something like.. A_Contador?
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Posted on 17-07-2011 01:08
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Believe it or not I also liked the Schleck brothers, especially Frank after winning Amstel Gold, but that was before TDF 2008
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issoisso wrote:
Andy is complaining they have no support, just as he always complains about everything under the sun, but the fact is simple: it's up to him to make the race and he just wasn't trying.
classic..what he want? Team mates up there when 10 GC guys are left.
Yep Lance had Heras always there..and he used him.
Andy have same class rider there..own brother.use.. it and win this tour. Fuck this Schlecks one-two plan.
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/schle...contenders
time to use your head. Ask himself why? Why only Basso atacked. Because Basso need a time before TT. Why you need a atack ..because you need extra time before TT. Why Evans wont atack..because he likes how the things are. Why Voecler wont atack..because he is wearing yellow. That is the only reason why he is here anyway. Rolland, Uran, Contador?..because they can not atack. Simpel.
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Posted on 17-07-2011 12:06
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There was an interesting series of tweets this morning between Festina Girl and Jonathan Beer. I'll put up the whole conversation so you can read it:
@festinagirl festinagirl
Guess I was spoiled to grow up with the Prof and the Badger - so much style, grace, aggression & panache - I miss that in modern cycling
@@jonathan_beer Jonathan Beer
@festinagirl Also, I'm not sure that the Pyrenees and Alps tribute routes have helped the GC race from a spectator's point of view.
@festinagirl festinagirl
@jonathan_beer interesting that the most exhilerating stages the Classics ttype climbs and the downhill finish - maybe MTFs are passe?
@jonathan_beer Jonathan Beer
@festinagirl I think it's because the classics style riders have some tactical nouse. CE, AC & AS seem to be so one-dimensional.
@festinagirl festinagirl
@jonathan_beer really agree with that - and radios have not helped riders to develop the think on their feet skills
@jonathan_beer Jonathan Beer
@festinagirl I see the safety point of view, but radios have produced a generation of drone riders. It's all too calculated. No feeling.
@festinagirl festinagirl
@jonathan_beer the fact that the Fr2 car that hit Flecha was transmitting pictures to team cars is just 1 more terrible irony
@mrendell Matt Rendell
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@festinagirl @jonathan_beer transmitting pictures from team cars to the zone technique, actually.
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