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Alberto Contador Positive
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| issoisso |
Posted on 12-02-2011 20:10
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For those who believe in Contador, I'm just going to quote the guy the New York Times interviewed, the world's leading expert in clenbuterol poisoning, a man who spent the past 25 years studying the subject:
"The positive caused by meat? Completely impossible"
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| untal |
Posted on 12-02-2011 21:08
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Can you give me a link to that? I want to use it in a discussion, about the same subject. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 12-02-2011 22:25
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untal wrote:
Can you give me a link to that? I want to use it in a discussion, about the same subject.
I have the link for a different article by the NYT where they mention the same guy, but it's not the same
https://www.nytime...ecsey.html
The name of the guy is there, so that should make it easier to google the other article 
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| Anonymer |
Posted on 12-02-2011 22:52
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Dr. Wadler said here, that clenbuterol doping wouldn't help Contador, so why use it ?
Some points just don't make sense to me and that gives me a bad feeling about this case, even I don't really believe in AC not doping in general.
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| roturn |
Posted on 12-02-2011 22:59
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It wouldn`t help during the Tour maybe. But starting the season and during his training camp in spring. So he might have used it earlier Ãn the year. Then he gave some blood (with clenbuterol) and had this blood transfusion during the Tour, what would also explain the other stuff that were rumoured to been found. Some kind of plastic rests or something like this that is part of the blood bags.
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 14-02-2011 13:56
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According to Marca, Contador is a free man.
What does this mean? WADA will appeal eventually, but I can see CAS taking so much time that Contador will be able to ride the Tour while CAS is still making up its mind.
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| Roman |
Posted on 14-02-2011 14:14
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I don't get it. He has a positive doping test, right? He has to get 2 years ban then. Any excuses? No, every rider is responsible for his own body. If this case has to go to CAS, it will be another big slap to cycling. And it will be slap not from Contador but from the Spanish cycling federation, once again. They should be suspended from international cycling or something like that..
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| andybandy |
Posted on 14-02-2011 14:21
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"You have a positive doping test -> 2 years ban" is in my opinion a bit to simple minded... But I suppose many see the case like this, and the fight against doping like this. Will be interesting to see what WADA and UCI will do next if he gets full aquittal, though.
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| felix_29 |
Posted on 14-02-2011 14:30
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The Spanish cycling federation is the best
If Tyler Hamilton have had a Spanish license, he wouldn´t have been banned. His story was plausible as Contador´s is
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| Ste117 |
Posted on 14-02-2011 14:33
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If Contador gets off without a ban, I fear it could be the beginning of the end for cycling, and I would blame Spain for it. Other countries who have a problem against doping, like Italy are doing something about it, no matter how big the rider is. Spain needs to start doing the same, or cycling in Spain and in general will be finished. Spain's problem is that they are scared to ban their doping best riders coz they will lose success in the sport, but thats all Spanish sport is, "Win at all costs".
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| siwi |
Posted on 14-02-2011 14:49
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So nice by Spanish Cycling Federation hope he will go free. |
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| Ennyzor |
Posted on 14-02-2011 14:50
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Ste117 wrote:
If Contador gets off without a ban, I fear it could be the beginning of the end for cycling, and I would blame Spain for it. Other countries who have a problem against doping, like Italy are doing something about it, no matter how big the rider is. Spain needs to start doing the same, or cycling in Spain and in general will be finished. Spain's problem is that they are scared to ban their doping best riders coz they will lose success in the sport, but thats all Spanish sport is, "Win at all costs".
And yet Pellizotti ended up being a free man despite a positive test. |
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| titleist82 |
Posted on 14-02-2011 15:02
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Ennyzor wrote:
And yet Pellizotti ended up being a free man despite a positive test.
That's not completely correct: Pelizzotti didn't get any positive test. he has been suspended (for nearly the entire 2010 season) due to suspicious values in his biological passport. Then the Italian Federation didn't convert the suspension in to a permanent ban due to lack of doping evidence. |
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Posted on 14-02-2011 15:31
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CrueTrue wrote:
According to Marca, Contador is a free man.
What does this mean? WADA will appeal eventually, but I can see CAS taking so much time that Contador will be able to ride the Tour while CAS is still making up its mind.
That really, really sucks. Valverde no.2? |
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Posted on 14-02-2011 15:37
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CrueTrue wrote:
According to Marca, Contador is a free man.
What does this mean? WADA will appeal eventually, but I can see CAS taking so much time that Contador will be able to ride the Tour while CAS is still making up its mind.
He should have 2 years, but only in Spain there are different rules. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 14-02-2011 16:24
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andybandy wrote:
"You have a positive doping test -> 2 years ban" is in my opinion a bit to simple minded... But I suppose many see the case like this, and the fight against doping like this. Will be interesting to see what WADA and UCI will do next if he gets full aquittal, though.
It is simple minded, but in this case, all we have is Contador's word that he hasn't doped. I mean -- they all say that. So we have a positive doping test versus Contador's word.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 14-02-2011 17:00
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You guys should spend a year or so here to understand to what point are the different Spanish sport federations corrupted. After that, you'd think the FIFA's impeccable in comparison.
Wait, did I say sport federations? Change it for 'institutions' and that'd be fine. |
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| roturn |
Posted on 14-02-2011 17:05
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Believing Contador would mean to mistrust their own farmers, although they have thousands of tests that there is no Clenbuterol in Spanish meat.
Maybe he should have said that the chef just came from China. Would be much more believable than this story.
So we will see Contador again in 2011, don`t hope so.
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| Riccoen |
Posted on 14-02-2011 19:30
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felix_29 wrote:
The Spanish cycling federation is the best
If Tyler Hamilton have had a Spanish license, he wouldn´t have been banned. His story was plausible as Contador´s is
Spanish Federation has recently banned David Garcia, Manuel Vazquez, Eladio Jimenez and Marga Fullana for two years, same for Igor Astarloa and Ruben Lobato so what you are saying is simply false.
Spanish Federation is going to absolve Contador because he has done a great work with laws (he probably has the money that other dopers don't have) and his arguments are really good. This doesn't mean that he didn't dope, but it means that he has shown that it could be possible to have clembuterol in his body unwittingly.
The other controversial case was Valverde and Spanish Federation could'nt ban him because it was impossible with Spanish laws (that now have changed) |
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 14-02-2011 19:39
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The Spanish federation hav'n't banned him because he won the tour.
The South African federation recently banned someone who tested positive for clem for 3 years because he admitted he was guilty. That's the sort of attitude the sport should take
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