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Tour de France 2010 Stage 9 - Morzine-Avoriaz - Saint-Jean-De-Maurienne
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| kumazan |
Posted on 14-07-2010 11:00
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You do realize that 'top' is very, very difference to TdF's, right?
It still amazes me that some people think that a 39 years old man can come to the Tour as one of the top guns. He may have endurance enough to ride to the moon if he wants, but he shouldn't be able to keep the pace. But, meh, I rest my case, this is nonsensical. |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 14-07-2010 13:26
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kumazan wrote:
You do realize that 'top' is very, very difference to TdF's, right?
It still amazes me that some people think that a 39 years old man can come to the Tour as one of the top guns. He may have endurance enough to ride to the moon if he wants, but he shouldn't be able to keep the pace. But, meh, I rest my case, this is nonsensical.
explain how 38 year old ..year ago managed to podium and was still not happy and wanted even more. Was it nonsense? That was a fact..
Btw. cycling is not teenagers sport anyway
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| kumazan |
Posted on 14-07-2010 13:29
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I don't know how. If I did, I would surely dedicate myself to sport medicine. |
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| ABridgeTooFar |
Posted on 14-07-2010 22:38
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issoisso wrote:
Fun fact about crashes: If nothing's broken, they tend to not affect you much on the day. The day after, however, is much worse. And the day after that is usually the worst of all.
Ah the "he's not dominating everyone and he looks like he's suffering suffering so he can't be doped" theory. The complete absence of logic when dealing with doping never ceases to amaze me.
What's your next argument? "He's a nice guy so he wouldn't dope"? 
Speaking as someone who has crashed, it can affect you very much on the day as well as the following days. His ride on Tuesday did not give much indication of BBM. Perhaps if he followed Schlecks attack or if he was in Levi's group. Sorry, not much evidence there.
Regarding the second comment. I said nothing about suffering. I was comparing his performance and who he was riding with. Additionally since Radioshack is BBMing where was the great performance by Kloden, Levi, Horner or Janez? Many of the anti-Lance crowd was predicting it but it never came.
Absence of logic? I like that. When you have to resort to personal attacks and choose to mis-represent my posts it usually means that you don't have much to say. Thanks.
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| ABridgeTooFar |
Posted on 14-07-2010 22:50
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Here is a quick list of athletes that did well after 40:
Richard Petty
Chris Chelios
Morten Anderson (Okay, not a good example)
Jamie Moyer
Jack Nicklaus
George Foreman
Phil Niekro
Nolan Ryan
George Blanda
Gordie Howe
Darrell Green
Dana Torres
Karem Abdul Jabbar
Hank Aaron
Martina Navratilova
Brett Favre
Warren Moon
Jerry Rice
I could go on more but, people it can happen, it is possible.
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 14-07-2010 22:59
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ABridgeTooFar wrote:
Here is a quick list of athletes that did well after 40:
Richard Petty
Chris Chelios
Morten Anderson (Okay, not a good example)
Jamie Moyer
Jack Nicklaus
George Foreman
Phil Niekro
Nolan Ryan
George Blanda
Gordie Howe
Darrell Green
Dana Torres
Karem Abdul Jabbar
Hank Aaron
Martina Navratilova
Brett Favre
Warren Moon
Jerry Rice
I could go on more but, people it can happen, it is possible.
Different sports have different demands on the body - so that list is pretty irrelevant.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 14-07-2010 23:18
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ABridgeTooFar wrote:
Here is a quick list of athletes that did well after 40:
Richard Petty
Chris Chelios
Morten Anderson (Okay, not a good example)
Jamie Moyer
Jack Nicklaus
George Foreman
Phil Niekro
Nolan Ryan
George Blanda
Gordie Howe
Darrell Green
Dana Torres
Karem Abdul Jabbar
Hank Aaron
Martina Navratilova
Brett Favre
Warren Moon
Jerry Rice
I could go on more but, people it can happen, it is possible.
None of them is a cyclist. Irrelevance FTW. |
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| ABridgeTooFar |
Posted on 14-07-2010 23:25
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I dare you to tell that to George Foreman's face That's okay. I expected that reaction. Typical of us cycling fans to think that our sport is the toughest and hardest. The list is to point out that it is possible to succeed at a later age. I predict that we will see more of this in the future.
Also, Jens Voight did pretty well on Tuesday where is the lynch mob for him?
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| kumazan |
Posted on 14-07-2010 23:42
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It has nothing to do with "our sport being the toughest and the hardest". Different sport=different requirements. As simple as this.
And Voigt? 'PFC' Voigt you say? Yay, comparing Lance's performance with another old doper's is cool for him. |
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 14-07-2010 23:44
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Bret Favre doesn't have the same physical demands as say Alberto Contador.
How do we compare NFL quarterbacks to Cycling?
The rest of the good NFL guys get concussions.
There's no point slapping a schleck - Sean Kelly on "Who needs a slap"
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| ABridgeTooFar |
Posted on 15-07-2010 00:55
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doddy13 wrote:
Bret Favre doesn't have the same physical demands as say Alberto Contador.
How do we compare NFL quarterbacks to Cycling?
The rest of the good NFL guys get concussions.
Agreed. But again I state that the list is to point out that athletes can still perform at a high level at a later age. There is a decline in skill, performance, endurance, etc. There are some studies that say that endurance can still be maintained at later age and that the drop off of endurance may be less than drop-off in other abilities.
The arguement was against Lance's age and that his current performance is PROOF of doping. You know what, he might be doped now as before but his performance is not PROOF nor is it an indication of doping. If anything Andy's and Alberto's or maybe Sanchez's performance is more of an indication.
Why doesn't anyone blame Garmin for doping? VDV's performance the last two Tours? Wiggins performance last year and his dismiss this year after he goes to a clean team like Sky? Hesjedal's riding this year? I think that they are hiding something.... |
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 15-07-2010 02:44
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Edit: He may have doped for all I know but his results don't prove that. Last year he finished 7th at AGR (if not noe of the other 2 hilly classics in April) and this year just got lucky (but still very happy with the result). Appart from that he's always been a very good climber yet a breakaway rider, and almost 45-55% of the time a better climber than VDV, but his TT weakened him from being a GC threat so has always played 2nd fiddle to VDV. He was one of the better MTN. climbers like Evans and look where he is so to me its no surprise.
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| ABridgeTooFar |
Posted on 15-07-2010 05:01
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Easy valverde. I was just kidding. Garmin is my favorite team. I was just being a smartass to make a point. Actually your first sentence pretty much reiterated my point. |
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| fightinchicken26 |
Posted on 15-07-2010 05:25
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Lance was 37 last year after three years off of cycling. He did not spend that time sitting around eating potato chips all day. His run was above what was really expected, but there was a lot of luck involved (look at fourth place, Bradley Wiggins).
Do not compare 37 to 40. There have been instances of older riders placing on the podium at the TdF, most of them not seven-time winners. |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 15-07-2010 09:47
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I am with ABridgeTooFar on this discussion..and don't understand why it is so unnatural that fresh 39 year old cyclist will get over a line with 18th. place and 2'50 after winner..and he's name happens to be mr. Armstrong
Where is miracle? |
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| khris |
Posted on 15-07-2010 09:51
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kumazan wrote:
None of them is a cyclist. Irrelevance FTW.
Ok, how about this one, then:
Jeannie Longo. |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 15-07-2010 09:54
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khris wrote:
kumazan wrote:
None of them is a cyclist. Irrelevance FTW.
Ok, how about this one, then:
Jeannie Longo.
French woman..does not count  |
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 15-07-2010 09:55
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khris wrote:
kumazan wrote:
None of them is a cyclist. Irrelevance FTW.
Ok, how about this one, then:
Jeannie Longo.
she's good against the french womens domestic scene, but internationally?
She's not great.
But I don't think she's in it to win, she's just enjoying it.
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 15-07-2010 10:15
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I think it's time to put an end to this discussion. Speculation like this is rather boring. |
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