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| bobcatsman |
Posted on 23-07-2009 09:56
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Stupid patriotism. |
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 23-07-2009 10:11
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Probably a little extra the Italians are giving LA for riding the Giro.  |
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| jolly_antunes |
Posted on 23-07-2009 17:37
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I don't know if this was already discussed but anybody read LeMond's interview?
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| issoisso |
Posted on 23-07-2009 17:39
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jolly_antunes wrote:
I don't know if this was already discussed but anybody read LeMond's interview?
Not as far as I know. But I'd love to read it. Feel free to post a link  |
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| jolly_antunes |
Posted on 23-07-2009 17:39
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It's in portuguese, i'll try to find it in any other language
https://dn.sapo.pt...id=1315650
And it's not an interview, it's his column in Le Monde newspaper.
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 23-07-2009 17:41
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jolly_antunes wrote:
It's in portuguese,
Bad news for isso.. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 23-07-2009 17:44
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Thanks jolly
LeMond says that Contador's climbing of Verbier means he has to have a VO2max of at least 99.5, which is impossible clean. And has never been achieved by any human in any sport.
He also defends the implementation of Vayer's methods to detect doping, claiming they can be used to detect blood transfusions and EPO use, which aren't currently detectable.
EDIT: he also incites Contador to prove he's clean
Edited by issoisso on 23-07-2009 17:45
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| KurtinSC |
Posted on 23-07-2009 19:10
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issoisso wrote:
Thanks jolly
LeMond says that Contador's climbing of Verbier means he has to have a VO2max of at least 99.5, which is impossible clean. And has never been achieved by any human in any sport.
He also defends the implementation of Vayer's methods to detect doping, claiming they can be used to detect blood transfusions and EPO use, which aren't currently detectable.
EDIT: he also incites Contador to prove he's clean
I like Lemond... but it's impossible to prove that you are clean.
You can provide a boat load of evidence if you choose to... but there is no way to absolutely prove you are clean. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 23-07-2009 19:21
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For a starter, he could allow a DNA sample with his the blood bags found at Fuentes' clinic 
... which he has previously declined, by the way. |
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| kida |
Posted on 23-07-2009 20:08
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CrueTrue wrote:
For a starter, he could allow a DNA sample with his the blood bags found at Fuentes' clinic
... which he has previously declined, by the way.
I don't think he should be given the option, I'm guessing the UCI etc have samples of Contador's blood etc and the blood bags from Fuentes' clinic should be tested and with that OP can finally end and any rider not just Contador found to have been involved can take a 2 year vacation, shame it can't be a permanent one. |
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| KurtinSC |
Posted on 23-07-2009 20:20
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CrueTrue wrote:
For a starter, he could allow a DNA sample with his the blood bags found at Fuentes' clinic
... which he has previously declined, by the way.
I'm not saying there aren't more things he could do...
but you can't prove a negative.
Can you prove that you have never spit?
I can prove that you DID spit... but it's impossible to prove something NEVER happened unless you videotape every second of your life.
So he can do more to provide evidence he's clean (which I doubt he is)... but it's impossible for ANY rider to prove they aren't doping or have never doped.
I mean if Contador did that and it didn't match any of the bags... I still wouldnt' think he's clean. And there's really nothing he can do to shake my belief that he's doping... so I can see his point of view. Why make the effort if there's nothing to gain? |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 23-07-2009 20:33
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It wquld in no way harm his reputation if he really didn't have any blood bags at Fuentes'. But then again, as long as he's allowed to ride and that teams don't mind having him on their team, I guess he couldn't care less about OP. |
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| schleck93 |
Posted on 23-07-2009 21:28
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issoisso wrote:
Thanks jolly
LeMond says that Contador's climbing of Verbier means he has to have a VO2max of at least 99.5, which is impossible clean. And has never been achieved by any human in any sport.
He also defends the implementation of Vayer's methods to detect doping, claiming they can be used to detect blood transfusions and EPO use, which aren't currently detectable.
EDIT: he also incites Contador to prove he's clean
Properbly stupid question, but what is Veayer's methods?
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 23-07-2009 21:39
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On the Rasmussen case, UCI said that they wouldn't let him ride until he had paid the 1 year salary fine. Michael Rasmussen then pressed charges against UCI today, and they've now made a press release saying that he can ride.
= The commitment that all the riders signed before the Tour has no value at all.
The Danish rider Michael Rasmussen has expressed his intention to return to international level competition at the end of his two-year suspension, which concludes on 25 July.
Mr Rasmussen signed the “Riders’ commitment to a new cycling”, in which he pledged to make a contribution to the anti-doping campaign equal to his annual salary in the event that he was given a suspension of two years or more as a result of a doping violation.
Despite being handed a two-year suspension by the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS), Mr Rasmussen has not paid this sum. The UCI therefore takes the view that he should not resume competition. Nevertheless, in the case of Mr Vinokourov, who contested his pledge, the CAS decided that any rider who had signed the “Riders’ commitment to a new cycling” should be permitted to return to competition pending a decision by the CAS on riders’ obligations to honour their signed commitments.
As Mr Rasmussen has also appealed to the CAS to contest his pledge, the UCI has decided not to oppose Mr Rasmussen’s return to competition, pending the CAS’s judgment.
Nonetheless, the UCI strongly rejects the attitude displayed by Messrs Vinokourov and Rasmussen; despite committing serious violations of the anti-doping rules they have rejected any form of reparation by refusing to contribute to the costs of anti-doping procedures. |
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| Rin |
Posted on 24-07-2009 08:52
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Some sources of the ARD says that there is a product in cycling since 10 years
The substance is "Geref", Geref is good for releasing of growth hormons so there are more muscle mass and a faster regeneration
Kohl said that "he knows Geref for 2 years"
Important is that Geref is not detectable...
Edited by Rin on 24-07-2009 08:53
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| brun sweater |
Posted on 24-07-2009 08:58
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oh Lemond....
....basing anti doping measures on level of performance, will not prevent doping, only level of performance.
I really sympathise with mr Lemond and find his cause really noble. But I fear for his sanity. To prevent athletes to use dope, there's only one way to go, and that's to ban medical science as a whole, turn back time and make pigs fly!
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| knasen |
Posted on 24-07-2009 09:02
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Rin wrote:
Some sources of the ARD says that there is a product in cycling since 10 years
The substance is "Geref", Geref is good for releasing of growth hormons so there are more muscle mass and a faster regeneration
Kohl said that "he knows Geref for 2 years"
Important is that Geref is not detectable...
Very interesting. If they come up with a Geref test and then retest samples from 08. Wounder how many positives it will be? |
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| ruben |
Posted on 24-07-2009 10:48
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Interesting point of view of Herman Ram, head of the Dutch anti-doping association. "Doping doesn't make you able to do superhuman stuff. The fact that Contador climbed up so fast to Verbier, doesn't prove he is superhuman. Who are we to decide what's possible? The human ability to improve our limits is huge. Why do you think boundaries are constantly pushed?" |
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| brun sweater |
Posted on 24-07-2009 11:26
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Indeed. And it's almost impossible to calculate the precise workload. There's wind, the gradient is not constant, aerodynamics varies from rider to rider, pace from moto's and other riders, air density and so on... |
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 24-07-2009 11:46
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issoisso wrote:
Thanks jolly
LeMond says that Contador's climbing of Verbier means he has to have a VO2max of at least 99.5, which is impossible clean. And has never been achieved by any human in any sport.
He also defends the implementation of Vayer's methods to detect doping, claiming they can be used to detect blood transfusions and EPO use, which aren't currently detectable.
EDIT: he also incites Contador to prove he's clean
Stop discussing about it.
he's doping (which GC contender isn't?), now lets figure out how we can catch him.
prevent hangovers --> stay drunk
pozzato, basically the most stupid cyclist around
RIP WW. Gone but not forgotten
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