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2020-2021 Changes Discussion Thread
SotD
I have to agree with BBL. Statgains really shouldn't take 3,5 months to do. There are no excuses (not even the altering of OVL).

I would expect everyone to have it finished by saturday, or lose their gains. Keeping things open for certain managers forever seems like taking the piss on the rest - and the game.
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redordead
I agree with SotD.

I've always been in favour of deadlines and there aren't really many excuses to be had in the case of stat gains.

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Croatia14
roturn wrote:
As jph already said, some things are in plannings which aren`t even far off from TMM`s post.

Spoiler
- There won`t be any upped FA`s I think (not yet finalised and need to check over jph`s file still, but not really planning to), although I agree to knockout`s point, that in some cases, it even helps.
- Riders from the FA pool, which weren`t picked up recently, will be edited downwards or upped a level without stat gain. This doesn`t impact FAs post renewals or from disbanding teams (except those in the next point) as those FAs need to stay strong for promoted teams etc. to give them a chance to pick up leaer quality.
- Riders from disbanding teams not necessarily gain xp or stat increases but are getting older. Less stat increases in total a season this way.
- Many of those actually are already replaced by new rider additions, which always replace old or awful riders, the total rider list this way remains same.

- Other than that I still plan to add the new fighter stat gain replacing the old one. A little bit weaker as your suggestion in lower potentials 1-3/4 but basically the same. This obviously brings up more stat increases as before, but less in main stats. Reason for the lower potentials is that some riders which start with great stats are low in potential to avoid becoming 78+ but still being very all around from scratch already. e.g. Van der Poel. If having the fighter for low pot as well, those riders would still become a lot stronger than supposed.
- I also would love to have a lot more stat gains and lots of freedom there. Problem is, it`s already a huge task with the number of options right now. When doing a lot more options or even full freedom, it would take days/weeks for me to handle all the input plus likely taking even longer to get all responses.



Reading this post and seeing the changes this offseason makes me feel like we're driving the game in the worst possible direction. No upgraded riders is a bad idea, the deflation approach is a bad idea, adding the fighter option for already signed riders is a bad idea (cause those that planned to train FTR got their riders for cheaper than they should now, as they are bound to be stronger) and the overall changes based on PCM18 results for PCM20 are a very bad idea.

BTW: You really should now send in your stat gain options! Otherwise there will be a punishment very soon as it stops me from moving on to the next part, which is all prepared already.


This however is a very good idea and I like it a lot.
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roturn
Croatia14 wrote:
roturn wrote:
As jph already said, some things are in plannings which aren`t even far off from TMM`s post.

Spoiler
- There won`t be any upped FA`s I think (not yet finalised and need to check over jph`s file still, but not really planning to), although I agree to knockout`s point, that in some cases, it even helps.
- Riders from the FA pool, which weren`t picked up recently, will be edited downwards or upped a level without stat gain. This doesn`t impact FAs post renewals or from disbanding teams (except those in the next point) as those FAs need to stay strong for promoted teams etc. to give them a chance to pick up leaer quality.
- Riders from disbanding teams not necessarily gain xp or stat increases but are getting older. Less stat increases in total a season this way.
- Many of those actually are already replaced by new rider additions, which always replace old or awful riders, the total rider list this way remains same.

- Other than that I still plan to add the new fighter stat gain replacing the old one. A little bit weaker as your suggestion in lower potentials 1-3/4 but basically the same. This obviously brings up more stat increases as before, but less in main stats. Reason for the lower potentials is that some riders which start with great stats are low in potential to avoid becoming 78+ but still being very all around from scratch already. e.g. Van der Poel. If having the fighter for low pot as well, those riders would still become a lot stronger than supposed.
- I also would love to have a lot more stat gains and lots of freedom there. Problem is, it`s already a huge task with the number of options right now. When doing a lot more options or even full freedom, it would take days/weeks for me to handle all the input plus likely taking even longer to get all responses.



Reading this post and seeing the changes this offseason makes me feel like we're driving the game in the worst possible direction. No upgraded riders is a bad idea, the deflation approach is a bad idea, adding the fighter option for already signed riders is a bad idea (cause those that planned to train FTR got their riders for cheaper than they should now, as they are bound to be stronger) and the overall changes based on PCM18 results for PCM20 are a very bad idea.

riders are upgraded, new riders, team riders/talents, just for now not planning to upgrade FAs in usual cases, e.g. Van Avermat/Naesen in past. But as said, still have to check the new additions. This was always done afterwards as then the full picture was visible.

Fighter is only for next season! This season the stat gains still using the old fighter.

Obviously the OVL/Wage must at some kind be taken from the actual season, which was on PCM18. This happened every year when changing the game. Obviously some riders will become better it wise in a new game e.g. Gesink/Madrazo from 15 to 18.


 
tsmoha
Wait, what? There are still some stat gains missing? Did this in May and already thought, I was late back then Grin
 
Ollfardh
List of shame maybe? Just for the confirmation? Pfft
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
 
cio93
tsmoha wrote:
Wait, what? There are still some stat gains missing? Did this in May and already thought, I was late back then Grin

Well to be fair, the reason I waited this long was that there wasn't a macro for the new OVL changes yet, and we only found out that the formula was significantly flawed because I asked for one before confirming my choices. Pfft

But yeah, I admit that could've been a faster process.
 
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