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PCM.daily Stat Discussion
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 30-04-2019 08:10
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He's actually a pretty good flat rider. remember when Nibali won the Tour he was a good dom for him on that cobbled stage which requires decent flat. Also Fuglsang is not a bad cobbler either and could easily target the cobble races like Valverde etc. So I'd say 74 or 75 flat fair.
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 30-04-2019 08:35
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ook... 74 maybe ok xD |
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| marcoplv95 |
Posted on 03-05-2019 08:02
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Tafiolmo wrote:
marcoplv95 wrote:
Just don't put Formolo 3 his points lower than Fuglsang, he already has better back-up stats. Imho:
Alaphilippe 81 HIL with best ACC
Valverde 80 with good ACC
Fuglsang 80 with best RES and low-mid ACC
Formolo 78 with LBL favourite, mid ACC
hahaha Formolo is 3 points less than Fuglsang in hill which is why I favoured 79 hill BUT we have increased his flat, res and sta so's not hugely weaker than Fuglsang.
I was looking at Formolo's hill results in the first week of Giro 2018 and they were actually very good he seems to do hills better in stage races than classics (LBL exception) and seems to be a kind of hybrid mtn/hill rider
What are you laughing at?
You guys repeat many times that database is based on last two years results, not only on recent form (but still well considered obv), then putting Fuglsang 3 points better than Formolo in HIL is too much, Formolo is performing well at LBL since three editions.
I'm not saying Fuglsang doesn't deserve to be better, but 2 points with high backups is fine, considering LBL as favourite for Formolo too, of course.
You have considered previously 79MO/80HIL for Fuglsang which is what I think he should be, and Alaphilippe 81 since he's not anymore miles better than others in HIL along with Valverde. He has just insane ACC, that would make him unbeatable (like he is) in Flèche Walonne.
Edited by marcoplv95 on 03-05-2019 08:10
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 03-05-2019 22:15
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marcoplv95 wrote:
Tafiolmo wrote:
marcoplv95 wrote:
Just don't put Formolo 3 his points lower than Fuglsang, he already has better back-up stats. Imho:
Alaphilippe 81 HIL with best ACC
Valverde 80 with good ACC
Fuglsang 80 with best RES and low-mid ACC
Formolo 78 with LBL favourite, mid ACC
hahaha Formolo is 3 points less than Fuglsang in hill which is why I favoured 79 hill BUT we have increased his flat, res and sta so's not hugely weaker than Fuglsang.
I was looking at Formolo's hill results in the first week of Giro 2018 and they were actually very good he seems to do hills better in stage races than classics (LBL exception) and seems to be a kind of hybrid mtn/hill rider
What are you laughing at?
You guys repeat many times that database is based on last two years results, not only on recent form (but still well considered obv), then putting Fuglsang 3 points better than Formolo in HIL is too much, Formolo is performing well at LBL since three editions.
I'm not saying Fuglsang doesn't deserve to be better, but 2 points with high backups is fine, considering LBL as favourite for Formolo too, of course.
You have considered previously 79MO/80HIL for Fuglsang which is what I think he should be, and Alaphilippe 81 since he's not anymore miles better than others in HIL along with Valverde. He has just insane ACC, that would make him unbeatable (like he is) in Flèche Walonne.
I'm laughing because I totally agree with the fact that Formolo shouldn't be 3 hill points behind Fuglsang which makes statting for the two quite hard. These are the only two riders that are a problem to stat.
Fuglsang was originally going to be 79 mtn 81 hill but this would be an overkill imo and he would be too strong against other GT riders so we scrapped this idea. We are now working with either 78/81 so dropping him less in mtn but the hill would still make him feel like a 79.5 mtn rider or as you suggest the 79/80 could very well work. It's just a case of playing with the stats to fit him in with the other mtn and hill riders.
Formolo is a mystery and always thought of him as a mtn rider that did well at LBL and as Olifardh showed his hill results are not that great in classics outside of LBL BUT I have noticed that he does do well though in hills in stage races. In Giro 2018 he started off strong in the first week had a bad second week but then surprised and was strong in the final week. He's clearly a rider of high sta and probably rec as well. 77/79 looks strange for him but does fit well with Fuglsang at 78/81 but 78/78 would work if Fuglsang were 79/80 so either way he is just one behind in mtn and two in hill. Formolo has a chance to show how good he really is with the Giro coming up.
Alaphilippe is probably no better than Valverde in hill and yes it is his crazy acc that makes a big difference but for gaming purposes probably needs to be a hill stat higher due to the fact that Valverde is two mtn higher so it's there for compensation.
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 03-05-2019 23:29
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Tafiolmo I think Alaphilippe with 73 in SPR maybe ok? If you give him 75 he will win many races against pure sprinters. He is fast but 75 its too OP in my opinion |
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 04-05-2019 09:41
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AiZaK wrote:
Tafiolmo I think Alaphilippe with 73 in SPR maybe ok? If you give him 75 he will win many races against pure sprinters. He is fast but 75 its too OP in my opinion
Well that's kinda how he won that Tirreno stage.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 04-05-2019 10:42
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What stats did you give Hodeg?
In February in the first season, he has 82 SP and 81 ACC for me. Not sure if he instantly increased, but is he really that good?(havent followed)
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 04-05-2019 12:20
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Aizak- Alaphillpe is 75/79 but he could be 74/79 but 73 would be too low
Paul- Hodeg has 78/79 in sprint and acc
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 04-05-2019 16:53
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Tafiolmo wrote:
Aizak- Alaphillpe is 75/79 but he could be 74/79 but 73 would be too low
Paul- Hodeg has 78/79 in sprint and acc
Ok, thanks. So he just increased alot in my game.
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 04-05-2019 17:14
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Paul23 wrote:
Tafiolmo wrote:
Aizak- Alaphillpe is 75/79 but he could be 74/79 but 73 would be too low
Paul- Hodeg has 78/79 in sprint and acc
Ok, thanks. So he just increased alot in my game.
Just looked and his POT is 6 so he does seemed to have increased a lot. Is it the same with Jakobsen who has better sprint stats and POT 7?
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| irdalopez |
Posted on 05-05-2019 11:57
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When will be the next DB update? Post Ronde, Roubaix, Amstel and LBL.
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 07-05-2019 11:06
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irdalopez wrote:
When will be the next DB update? Post Ronde, Roubaix, Amstel and LBL.
Thanks
We're hoping very very soon and probably before the Giro start BUT there is always the problem of delays. Fav races and weather are now back in for WT and PCT riders and some CT riders. Popularities will now be added at a later update.
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| jeremyrobin |
Posted on 08-05-2019 19:15
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Clément Champoussin has 60 in sta, res and rec. He finished 5th in Tour de l'Avenir 2018, 12th in World U23 and 3 in Piccolo Lobardia. It's low to compare other riders in top 10 of Tour de l'Avenir. |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 11-05-2019 19:23
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A quick update:
Due to some delays etc the next update will now have to be after the Giro. Which in my opinion will be better as it will include all the Spring Classics and the first GT.
Anyway keep stat suggestions up throughout the Giro and thanks for your patience!
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 18-05-2019 11:08
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Wow Mt Baldy certainly raises some questions over the mtn stats, yes some riders are not on form and building for other Tours but still some climbing questions were asked.
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 18-05-2019 14:54
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Tafiolmo wrote:
Wow Mt Baldy certainly raises some questions over the mtn stats, yes some riders are not on form and building for other Tours but still some climbing questions were asked.
Im thinking this is mainly about Asgreen? He seems like he could be quite the all-rounder.
Porte had a broken bike apparently, btw if that helps explain part of the situation atleast. I think his gears werent working, which on a climb can make things quite difficult.
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| Omloop |
Posted on 18-05-2019 15:30
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Remi Cavagna should have the same downhill stat as Zakarin. Worst descending I've seen this year. |
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| Tamijo |
Posted on 18-05-2019 17:19
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Is there a file with all stats activ, cant check ingame as my story made me not downloads the updates.
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 18-05-2019 19:41
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Valverde- Haven't done any of the Mt Baldy stage stats yet but yes Asgreen is becoming a strange and hard rider to stat. Pogacar we know about and will only get better but Higuita will be looking at a big raise clearly another big Colombian talent. Didn't know that about Porte but he is possibly facing a drop to 80 mtn but will look more into that. TVG confirming he really just can't climb anymore.
Omloop- Cavagna was terrible in that descent and is the same DH as Zakarin now
Tamjo- No there is no more front sheet but for sure the next update will be after the Giro which will include all the Spring Classics.
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| Tamijo |
Posted on 18-05-2019 20:15
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Tafiolmo wrote:
Tamjo- No there is no more front sheet but for sure the next update will be after the Giro which will include all the Spring Classics.
Just thinking hard to comment on say Higuita, is 66 mountain in my game was just wondering if that was already fixed (but I can see you mentioned that he need an increase)
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