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| issoisso |
Posted on 14-06-2013 22:57
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Kreuziger doesn't seem to have the legs. According to Costa he was asking Roche to go slower on the climb.
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| fcancellara |
Posted on 14-06-2013 23:33
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Schleck! 
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| fosforgasXIII |
Posted on 14-06-2013 23:35
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fcancellara wrote:
Schleck!
Schleck is back. Kinda. |
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| fickman |
Posted on 14-06-2013 23:48
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TimoCycling wrote:
pcm2009fan wrote:
Hey, Mollema is Dutch. It's only fair to blame the world for his "misfortunes".
Yup, I just think he deserved it the most to win here. That's why I think it's too bad. If you guys don't agree I couldn't care less  .
Why would he deserved the win more than Costa, after he launched the attack he was wheelsucking Pinot and Costa and in the downhill he lost contact and only got back to the Costa group because of the fallen banner. U should take off ur fanboy glasses 
issoisso wrote:
Kreuziger doesn't seem to have the legs. According to Costa he was asking Roche to go slower on the climb.
I think Kreuziger is good for short climbs or win stages from a breakaway but have a lot of problems in the long climbs to stay with the best when he is good placed at the GC or at least thats what i have observed since last year.
Schleck with a decent performance who would have explected that
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Posted on 15-06-2013 00:17
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Great ride Cam Meyer. Best ever finish on a mountain stage. |
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| kubys |
Posted on 15-06-2013 00:22
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fickman wrote:
I think Kreuziger is good for short climbs or win stages from a breakaway but have a lot of problems in the long climbs to stay with the best when he is good placed at the GC or at least thats what i have observed since last year.
I think that the biggest problem is in his head, someone who was considered as one of the greatest GC talents who had quite good results can't be just "the breakaway guy"...
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Posted on 15-06-2013 01:28
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kubys wrote:
fickman wrote:
I think Kreuziger is good for short climbs or win stages from a breakaway but have a lot of problems in the long climbs to stay with the best when he is good placed at the GC or at least thats what i have observed since last year.
I think that the biggest problem is in his head, someone who was considered as one of the greatest GC talents who had quite good results can't be just "the breakaway guy"...
He might be struggling with the altitude. Some riders just doesn't work well in thin air.
Great to see Schleck on the way back. Maybe he'll be a player in the Tour afterall, that would be great for the race.
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 15-06-2013 07:50
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Kreuziger has always been overrated as a climber, I think. He can deal with easy mountain stages like Crans-Montana, but he's far better suited to the classics and week-long stage races without major mountains (Paris-Nice).
And by the way, even I enjoyed watching an improved Schleck. As much as I dislike him, it'd still be good to have another guy to help the Spaniards take down Froome at the Tour.
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| Smowz |
Posted on 15-06-2013 08:10
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Just managed to catch up with the stage, sad I missed it yesterday looked a decent mountains stage indeed.
Very encouraging stage with the performances by TvG, Schleck and Dombrowski for me the stand out beside the stage winner.
I still think Schleck will hang back in the tour losing time to go for stage wins in the Alps though. I don't think it is in his mind set to go for GC at all. Would be fantastic for the race if he did though. Perhaps we are getting carried away though with a 15th place on a mountain stage.
Disappointed for the IAM boys, this race has ended up a bit of a disaster after initially looking encouraging a bit like their season really and a some of this is down to bad luck and perhaps some down to some deficiencies in their riders.
The GC battle looks a tight one probably between Costa and Frank, though you have that suspicion that TvG will be a real dangerman.
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 15-06-2013 09:00
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16. Reichenbach Sébastien 01'27''
Only shit, that's a surprise. |
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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 15-06-2013 09:15
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fickman wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
pcm2009fan wrote:
Hey, Mollema is Dutch. It's only fair to blame the world for his "misfortunes".
Yup, I just think he deserved it the most to win here. That's why I think it's too bad. If you guys don't agree I couldn't care less .
Why would he deserved the win more than Costa, after he launched the attack he was wheelsucking Pinot and Costa and in the downhill he lost contact and only got back to the Costa group because of the fallen banner. U should take off ur fanboy glasses
issoisso wrote:
Kreuziger doesn't seem to have the legs. According to Costa he was asking Roche to go slower on the climb.
I think Kreuziger is good for short climbs or win stages from a breakaway but have a lot of problems in the long climbs to stay with the best when he is good placed at the GC or at least thats what i have observed since last year.
Schleck with a decent performance who would have explected that
In the papers Mollema was extremely pissed of at the teammanager, he apparantly told him that Spilak was in front and that they were sprinting for a 2nd place.
And he also said he almost fell due to that banner, so no, he didn't come back because of the banner. He came back because he was the strongest, I still think he was the best sprinter of the three. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 15-06-2013 09:28
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TimoCycling wrote:so no, he didn't come back because of the banner. He came back because he was the strongest
I'm intrigued: Does it make your brain physically hurt when you try that damn hard to deny reality to suit your nationalistic views?
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 15-06-2013 09:32
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Apparently the altitude caused an average loss of 7 % of VO2 yesterday. That affected real climbers less than people who cope well with mountains.
Hence Schleck doing better than expected, and Kreuziger struggling, etc. |
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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 15-06-2013 09:35
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issoisso wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:so no, he didn't come back because of the banner. He came back because he was the strongest
I'm intrigued: Does it make your brain physically hurt when you try that damn hard to deny reality to suit your nationalistic views?
Of course I wanted him to win and I'll defend him, he maybe wasn't the strongest on the mountain, but finishing he was definitely the strongest, you could see that when he came back from a defeated position and almost won the sprint aswell. I genuinely think he is a better finisher than the other two and he was stronger in the final kilometer. But hey, suit yourself . |
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 15-06-2013 09:50
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TimoCycling wrote:
Of course I wanted him to win and I'll defend him, he maybe wasn't the strongest on the mountain, but finishing he was definitely the strongest, you could see that when he came back from a defeated position and almost won the sprint aswell. I genuinely think he is a better finisher than the other two and he was stronger in the final kilometer. But hey, suit yourself .
fastest =/= strongest
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 15-06-2013 09:54
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Mollema would have won the sprint if he kept up with them on the descent.
However he didn't and he lost it fair and square on the descent, really can't see anything in this debate.
Edited by Alakagom on 15-06-2013 09:54
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| kumazan |
Posted on 15-06-2013 17:17
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*Takes a look at the stage - 50km to go*
*Waits for some 20 minutes*
*Takes another look - 43km to go*
WTF is this. Are they riding in tricycles?
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| fosforgasXIII |
Posted on 15-06-2013 17:27
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kumazan wrote:
*Takes a look at the stage - 50km to go*
*Waits for some 20 minutes*
*Takes another look - 43km to go*
WTF is this. Are they riding in tricycles?
The break-away isn't riding very fast and because the peleton doesn't want to catch it yet, they're riding slowly as well.
EDIT: And with slowly I mean fast  If I would 5 minutes at that speed, I would probably be empty.
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| gotlandrules |
Posted on 15-06-2013 17:38
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Smowz wrote:
Just managed to catch up with the stage, sad I missed it yesterday looked a decent mountains stage indeed.
Very encouraging stage with the performances by TvG, Schleck and Dombrowski for me the stand out beside the stage winner.
I still think Schleck will hang back in the tour losing time to go for stage wins in the Alps though. I don't think it is in his mind set to go for GC at all. Would be fantastic for the race if he did though. Perhaps we are getting carried away though with a 15th place on a mountain stage.
Disappointed for the IAM boys, this race has ended up a bit of a disaster after initially looking encouraging a bit like their season really and a some of this is down to bad luck and perhaps some down to some deficiencies in their riders.
The GC battle looks a tight one probably between Costa and Frank, though you have that suspicion that TvG will be a real dangerman.
IAM was really unlucky with the injury to Löfkvist right before Romandie, he would have been ther man for the GC at both Romandie and Suisse. But yeah, expected a bit more from Tschopp in the mountains. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 15-06-2013 17:41
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kumazan wrote:
*Takes a look at the stage - 50km to go*
*Waits for some 20 minutes*
*Takes another look - 43km to go*
WTF is this. Are they riding in tricycles?
Haven't you been told that for the sake of duathlon, riders will do the entire stage running ? |
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