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| jph27 |
Posted on 14-06-2012 16:23
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If Armstrong's results from within the 8 year statute of limitations are taken away (or at least those since his comeback), then Bradley Wiggins will be the first Brit to finish on the podium at the Tour de France.  |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 14-06-2012 16:24
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Last night I should've linked to this. It's the USADA's letter to the accused parties (Armstrong, Ferrari, Pepe MartÃ, Bruyneel, etc) and it lists part of the evidence of doping that the USADA has gathered from testimony by 10 of Bruyneel's riders (Hincapie, Zabriskie, Hamilton, etc):
https://online.wsj...ng0613.pdf
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Anyway, on to other news....which are doping news. Oops 
Not exactly "news" really, more something I just realized.
While reading up on the Lance investigation I just came across something very very interesting.
One of the dope mongers who has for years been linked with organizing the doping practices at teams such as Postal is Dr. Pepe MartÃ. Here's what I didn't know until today: he was working with Astana during the classics season this year. You all know how Astana did.
And furthermore, it is reported (but not confirmed) that he is working for Saxo Bank now. He had Contador as a personal client and friend in the past, so maybe he's "preparing" the Vuelta already? 
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Meanwhile, and possibly far more relevant to most people here: remember the accusations that Rabobank had an organized team doping program a few years ago, led by a certain doctor? The name of the doctor is now known.
Turns out it's good old Dr. Leinders
He works for Team Sky now
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Now I'm old and cynical. Isso hasn't changed a bit though
Are you calling me old, dude?
The preceding post is ISSO 9001 certified
"I love him, I think he's great. He's transformed the sport in so many ways. Every person in cycling has benefitted from Lance Armstrong, perhaps not financially but in some sense" - Bradley Wiggins on Lance Armstrong
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 14-06-2012 16:30
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Dear god, I'm off to ride my bike, at least I know I'm not doping... |
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| cio93 |
Posted on 14-06-2012 16:34
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I prefer not to comment much on such issues, but thanks isso for these detailed, informative posts, very appreciated.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 14-06-2012 16:37
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This is cracking isso, the tentacles of the octopus are spreaded like in the actual mafia. It may be the coincidence, but when enormous success follows some certain people, doctors in cycling especially, it stinks.
I must confess to revising my thoughts about Contador, but i still dont know what to think exactly about him.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 14-06-2012 16:39
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issoisso wrote:
Anyway, on to other news....which are doping news. Oops
Not exactly "news" really, more something I just realized.
While reading up on the Lance investigation I just came across something very very interesting.
One of the dope mongers who has for years been linked with organizing the doping practices at teams such as Postal is Dr. Pepe MartÃ. Here's what I didn't know until today: he was working with Astana during the classics season this year. You all know how Astana did.
And furthermore, it is reported (but not confirmed) that he is working for Saxo Bank now. He had Contador as a personal client and friend in the past, so maybe he's "preparing" the Vuelta already?
He's the guy all the Valencian sport media was so proud of back in the old days when Armstrong was sprinting up the mountains. Of course no one remembers him now. He's been working with Contador for years, indeed, as Landis very well knew, but the Spanish media is strangely unaware of this. :\
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| siwi |
Posted on 14-06-2012 16:42
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Well if he is working for Saxo Bank he is not doing so good... |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 14-06-2012 16:44
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siwi wrote:
Well if he is working for Saxo Bank he is not doing so good...
Yeah and he could tune Kreuziger a bit better for the Giro
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 14-06-2012 16:57
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ianrussell wrote:
Dear god, I'm off to ride my bike, at least I know I'm not doping...
Maybe you don't realize. Eaten some steak lately? |
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 14-06-2012 17:06
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Ian Butler wrote:
ianrussell wrote:
Dear god, I'm off to ride my bike, at least I know I'm not doping...
Maybe you don't realize. Eaten some steak lately?
No I can't afford steak! Plus Strava data would clearly identify me as low risk  |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 14-06-2012 17:07
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ianrussell wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
ianrussell wrote:
Dear god, I'm off to ride my bike, at least I know I'm not doping...
Maybe you don't realize. Eaten some steak lately?
No I can't afford steak! Plus Strava data would clearly identify me as low risk
You're lucky, then |
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| felix_29 |
Posted on 14-06-2012 17:30
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I knew the we would see an awesome discussion. Lots of information and even more posts that made me laugh. But i´m not too surprised as i recently read the 43% of USA´s population think that the earth came into existence as described in the bible.
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| jseadog1 |
Posted on 14-06-2012 17:34
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siwi wrote:
Well if he is working for Saxo Bank he is not doing so good...
Amen!
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| chris01 |
Posted on 14-06-2012 17:56
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RNT spokesman Philippe Maertens said that since Andy can't start the tour that a Horner return to the Tour lineup could happen. I really do hope that it happens, i think Frank could get some serious time on other GC contenders if he had Fuglsang, Kloden, and Horner helping him.
Give a man a fish and feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and feed him for a lifetime. Teach a man to cycle and he will realize fishing is stupid and boring.
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| ABridgeTooFar |
Posted on 14-06-2012 18:44
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issoisso wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
Then do. It means fuck all to say you could. It also doesn't address really any of the points Aquarius and issoisso made (have read that now  ).
How come what I say means ****, but what they say doesn't?
Greg LeMond had the highest VO2Max ever recorded for a cyclist and the 390W max climbing power pre-EPO was by him. Yet by your logic, if oxygen explains everything he should be doing over 500W
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| ABridgeTooFar |
Posted on 14-06-2012 19:04
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issoisso wrote:
chris01 wrote:
Oh please look whose post is ignorant now, if internet was around back then and cyclist doping investigations was as big back then as it was when Lance rode he would have been under the same exact scrutiny.
Again, your post is very ignorant.
LeMond is under the exact same scrutiny right now. By Armstrong fans. They keep bringing up the same discussions for years.
Check the cyclingnews forum, there are threads on LeMond with several dozen pages of posts. And do you know what all those rabid armstrong fans trying desperately to find even the slightest glimmer of a trace circumstancial evidence have found about LeMond?
Nothing.
Absolutely nothing.
Which, by the way, is the same that other riders and teams found on LeMond back in his day when he was the best in the world.
He was under scrutiny by a lot of very powerful people with a very large axe to grind who were trying desperately to find anything at all to pin on him. Why? Because he was campaigning strongly to get blood doping controls instituted when there were none back then. Other riders and teams didn't want any of that.
But of course you know nothing of that. You're extremely ignorant of all of that. Which would be perfectly fine and normal, if it wasn't for the fact that you are accusing others of ignorance.
You're digging yourself into a massive hole.
issoisso - you are like the Republic Party in the US. We share many of the same views but you present those views and counter-views with such arrogance that it makes you sound like an a-hole. I so want be on your side but you push me to the middle. You are the Glenn Beck of this website. You would find that you can win more people over (even educate them) if you posted less confrontational. |
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| Crommy |
Posted on 14-06-2012 19:12
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ABridgeTooFar wrote:
issoisso wrote:
chris01 wrote:
Oh please look whose post is ignorant now, if internet was around back then and cyclist doping investigations was as big back then as it was when Lance rode he would have been under the same exact scrutiny.
Again, your post is very ignorant.
LeMond is under the exact same scrutiny right now. By Armstrong fans. They keep bringing up the same discussions for years.
Check the cyclingnews forum, there are threads on LeMond with several dozen pages of posts. And do you know what all those rabid armstrong fans trying desperately to find even the slightest glimmer of a trace circumstancial evidence have found about LeMond?
Nothing.
Absolutely nothing.
Which, by the way, is the same that other riders and teams found on LeMond back in his day when he was the best in the world.
He was under scrutiny by a lot of very powerful people with a very large axe to grind who were trying desperately to find anything at all to pin on him. Why? Because he was campaigning strongly to get blood doping controls instituted when there were none back then. Other riders and teams didn't want any of that.
But of course you know nothing of that. You're extremely ignorant of all of that. Which would be perfectly fine and normal, if it wasn't for the fact that you are accusing others of ignorance.
You're digging yourself into a massive hole.
issoisso - you are like the Republic Party in the US. We share many of the same views but you present those views and counter-views with such arrogance that it makes you sound like an a-hole. I so want be on your side but you push me to the middle. You are the Glenn Beck of this website. You would find that you can win more people over (even educate them) if you posted less confrontational.
This is hilarious
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| jseadog1 |
Posted on 14-06-2012 19:20
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Crommy wrote:
ABridgeTooFar wrote:
issoisso wrote:
chris01 wrote:
Oh please look whose post is ignorant now, if internet was around back then and cyclist doping investigations was as big back then as it was when Lance rode he would have been under the same exact scrutiny.
Again, your post is very ignorant.
LeMond is under the exact same scrutiny right now. By Armstrong fans. They keep bringing up the same discussions for years.
Check the cyclingnews forum, there are threads on LeMond with several dozen pages of posts. And do you know what all those rabid armstrong fans trying desperately to find even the slightest glimmer of a trace circumstancial evidence have found about LeMond?
Nothing.
Absolutely nothing.
Which, by the way, is the same that other riders and teams found on LeMond back in his day when he was the best in the world.
He was under scrutiny by a lot of very powerful people with a very large axe to grind who were trying desperately to find anything at all to pin on him. Why? Because he was campaigning strongly to get blood doping controls instituted when there were none back then. Other riders and teams didn't want any of that.
But of course you know nothing of that. You're extremely ignorant of all of that. Which would be perfectly fine and normal, if it wasn't for the fact that you are accusing others of ignorance.
You're digging yourself into a massive hole.
issoisso - you are like the Republic Party in the US. We share many of the same views but you present those views and counter-views with such arrogance that it makes you sound like an a-hole. I so want be on your side but you push me to the middle. You are the Glenn Beck of this website. You would find that you can win more people over (even educate them) if you posted less confrontational.
This is hilarious
Agreed!
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 14-06-2012 19:27
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
Are you freaking putting down my religion now too?
Am I ?
Our religion is most likely the same, and I'd never question a fellow Pastafarian beliefs. Especially in this topic.
But let me explain... The idea of believing implies not knowing. Let's keep the God-example : if tomorrow God would show up to everyone's face, and that it couldn't be question he's actually God, then nobody would believe in God anymore. Why ? Because he'd be factual, so there'd be no room for believing or not believing. Get it ?
From a scientific point of view, a belief is worth nothing if you can't prove it. An opinion is not a fact.
If EPO has actually been found in Armstrong's urine samples, it's not a matter of believing he's clean or not : he's not.
Question might be how it got there, but the answer is quite obvious : he used it. |
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| ABridgeTooFar |
Posted on 14-06-2012 19:37
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Aquarius wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
[quote]Aquarius wrote:
But let me explain... The idea of believing implies not knowing. Let's keep the God-example : if tomorrow God would show up to everyone's face, and that it couldn't be question he's actually God, then nobody would believe in God anymore. Why ? Because he'd be factual, so there'd be no room for believing or not believing. Get it ?
According to Christian beliefs he did "show up to everyone one's face" (Jesus) and most did not believe. Explaining facts and beliefs and religion is a tricky thing. |
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