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2012 DB: Stat Discussions
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| CountArach |
Posted on 14-06-2012 16:56
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Alakagom wrote:
Who did he beat ? Swift ? Albasini ? Haussler ?
Few are 77 Sprinters and some aren't even true sprinters  He'll prove his sprinting at Tour and then we'll see.
Although if there was sprinting consistency stat, well he'd be pretty much one of the best there.
What about acceleration at least? He has shown the ability to hold his top speed for a long period of time and that is what ACC is supposed to show.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 14-06-2012 16:58
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I think his secondary stats should be higher, 77 for flat and resistance sound good for him, that way, he is way better than Swift and Rojas for example but not as good as Cav, Farrar etc..
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| Abelbaba |
Posted on 14-06-2012 17:04
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What about acceleration at least? He has shown the ability to hold his top speed for a long period of time and that is what ACC is supposed to show.
ACC sounds to my how fast you can accelerate |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 14-06-2012 17:05
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Abelbaba wrote:
What about acceleration at least? He has shown the ability to hold his top speed for a long period of time and that is what ACC is supposed to show.
ACC sounds to my how fast you can accelerate
It does sound like that, but it isn't. Cyanide logic.
Sagan should be about 78 sprint, imo. Let's see what he does against the big guns, then we'll see. |
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| fernando97 |
Posted on 14-06-2012 17:05
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Abelbaba wrote:
What about acceleration at least? He has shown the ability to hold his top speed for a long period of time and that is what ACC is supposed to show.
ACC sounds to my how fast you can accelerate
Actually not. It controls the red bar, and that how fast it gets empty. So exactly what CountArach said.
Edited by fernando97 on 14-06-2012 18:16
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 14-06-2012 17:57
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I think it deserves a minimum 80 |
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| roturn |
Posted on 14-06-2012 18:18
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Tour`s not long to wait for.
If he beats Cav, Greipel there or is as fast as these two for example, then you can consider it.
But at the moment he is already stronger in the DB than the guys he is beating in Suisse or California. Combined with his great other stats he is already one of the best even with 77. |
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| jph27 |
Posted on 17-06-2012 15:58
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Cav may need a boost in his Hill stat after the ZLM Tour, but possibly a decrease in his Sprinting. |
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| carmelobymelo |
Posted on 17-06-2012 16:01
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jph27 wrote:
Cav may need a boost in his Hill stat after the ZLM Tour, but possibly a decrease in his Sprinting.
Let's wait for The Tour and then make decision.
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| CountArach |
Posted on 17-06-2012 16:28
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jph27 wrote:
Cav may need a boost in his Hill stat after the ZLM Tour, but possibly a decrease in his Sprinting.
He hasn't hit his fitness peak yet, so yeah, wait until the Tour. Those races are hard to judge by because the riders aren't going to leave everything on the road.
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| jph27 |
Posted on 17-06-2012 16:32
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CountArach wrote:
jph27 wrote:
Cav may need a boost in his Hill stat after the ZLM Tour, but possibly a decrease in his Sprinting.
He hasn't hit his fitness peak yet, so yeah, wait until the Tour. Those races are hard to judge by because the riders aren't going to leave everything on the road.
RUI COSTA DESERVES 85 MOUNTAIN! CHANGE IT NOW!
I think we should make it an 86, to see what happens! 
I agree though, just from what I have seen it seems that would be likely. |
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| andrebaptista |
Posted on 17-06-2012 16:43
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I wouldn't say 85, but at least 75, while improving his END and RES. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 17-06-2012 16:45
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I'd say a good mountain stat, but not great recovery.
He's a one day rider mostly. He dropped everyone on the first stage, but after a few days of riding and then a TT, he had quite a bit of difficulty in the mountains.
Also, as shown yesterday, don't increase his acceleration, as he doesn't do well with starting up and slowing down.
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| adammoney |
Posted on 18-06-2012 17:03
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Dombrowski should be improved a lot for mountains and potential. |
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| E_Hagen |
Posted on 19-06-2012 12:35
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Has the decline rate for older riders been reduced? IRL, look at Horner and Voigt who are 40 and better than ever.... |
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| CountArach |
Posted on 19-06-2012 12:40
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E_Hagen wrote:
Has the decline rate for older riders been reduced? IRL, look at Horner and Voigt who are 40 and better than ever....
Voigt isn't better than ever. He attacks a lot less than he used to. It is just because he is a hard man in general that he can take it.
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 19-06-2012 15:42
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Decline ages have been changed, so riders keep their stats for at least this season. |
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| ZinovievLetter |
Posted on 25-06-2012 03:03
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I made some harsh remark about the PCMDaily dbs stats for riders on small teams on another thread and lluuiiggii quite reasonably pointed out that posting here would be more helpful than moaning elsewhere. So I'm going to post a few things about An Post Sean Kelly, the team I was talking about in that conversation.
First about the team in general:
They are one of the best Conti teams in Europe and like a handful of other Conti teams wouldn't be far off the level of the very worst Pro Conti teams. They have pretty much nobody who can climb, but almost all of their riders are strong on the flat, can handle a moderate hill and know how to ride over cobblestones.
1) The main thing that needs improvement across the board is the Flat statistic. You can't be possibly the most successful low countries Conti team and not be strong on the flat. The team shouldn't be mostly made up riders with flat scores of 63 to 65. As a baseline, the worst flat riders on the team should be about 65, although as they are a Conti team only a few should be above 68.
2) The second thing that needs a smaller improvement across the board is their COB stats. They ride on the cobblestones a lot, but the db only gives Nico Eeckhout a COB score above 66. Adding two points to most of the riders scores would make them a more realistic threat, without suddenly turning them into real contenders for big races.
Now on to the team leaders:
This is the biggest problem, because the db has the team's main leader as the third worst rider on the team and arguably their biggest talent as the very worst.
1) Gediminas Bagdonas. Bagdonas is the main team leader. The team has 18 UCI ranked wins in the last 13 months. 12 of them were by Bagdonas. He was signed by Geox for this season but ended up back with An Post after Geox collapsed. He's one of perhaps four riders on European Conti teams who are clearly too good for that level. In that 13 month period he has won bunch sprints, has won from the break, has won a hilly stage, has won his national TT championships and, today he won his National Road Race. He should not be a rider with an average score of 62!
My statistics suggestion would be that he shouldn't have any stat higher than 73 but should have a whole bunch of stats of 70 or slightly above. Perhaps 73 SP, 72 ACC, 73 Flat, 70 Hills, 71 TT, 71 PRO, 71 COB. MO at 60. He's an excellent all rounder at this level, but hasn't yet shown really top level ability at anything.
2) Kenneth Vanbilsen. Who just won the U23 Ronde. He's down in the db as the wost rider on the team. He's actually a big talent. He probably shouldn't have any particularly great stats yet, because he's more about potential. However, he certainly shouldn't have Flat and COB scores of 61! Maybe bump each of them to 70.
I'll get back with more comments about other riders soon. Most of them don't have nearly this sort of drastic stats problem.
Edited by ZinovievLetter on 25-06-2012 03:06
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 25-06-2012 09:21
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Well as I said, there's going be a massive overhaul in stats, all Pro Conti and Conti teams will get overhaul in stats. They weren't up to scratch before and when I came I could see the problem, you can PM me any suggestions you'd like to be made too
Edited by Alakagom on 25-06-2012 09:24
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 27-06-2012 07:51
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Alakagom, The change in the stats will be added for PCM 11 in the Final V2???
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