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| roturn |
Posted on 30-01-2012 19:49
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As far as I know this method takes some 40mm or so to make you better protected against illness like flew or so.
It`s not like a blood transfusion where some liters are taken.
But I agree with you. Although it might not have been enhancing the performance it`s surely something that might give them a "bad image". |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 30-01-2012 20:33
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https://www.1t4i.com/news/2074/
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 30-01-2012 20:57
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If that's true then I am very relieved
 [url=www.pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=33182] Team Santander Media Thread[/url]
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| issoisso |
Posted on 30-01-2012 21:03
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mb2612 wrote:
If that's true then I am very relieved
So you're not sure if you're relieved or not? 
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 30-01-2012 21:29
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issoisso wrote:
mb2612 wrote:
If that's true then I am very relieved
So you're not sure if you're relieved or not?
Nope, potential relief is coursing through my veins
[url=www.pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=33182] Team Santander Media Thread[/url]
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| Ste117 |
Posted on 30-01-2012 23:50
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Valverde got his ban backdated to the start of the 2010 season after the CAS hearing and the season's results wiped. Which was fair, so I should expect the same for Contador.
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| manindemaan |
Posted on 31-01-2012 00:38
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do those journalists ever think of the people they write about? and still no word on ARD's website (TV station who spread the story about kittel and co) about others reactions.
well, "doping" is a category linked on their sport page, "cycling" isn't..
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| Eden95 |
Posted on 31-01-2012 03:54
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manindemaan wrote:
do those journalists ever think of the people they write about? and still no word on ARD's website (TV station who spread the story about kittel and co) about others reactions.
well, "doping" is a category linked on their sport page, "cycling" isn't..
It's all for the story, even if they put in their bits and pieces, all they want is for people to watch, regardless the effect it has on others.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 31-01-2012 06:22
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Okay, Kittel did something which was banned just recently, but still it is not a small "thing" if WADA decided to ban this. It is still the blood manipulation.
If someone not so popular did this, i think the reaction of users here would be not so relieved.
But i understand this, as the bigger case would harm the picture of cycling in Germany (which is not good either), so everyone is happy with the outcome 
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 31-01-2012 06:39
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If such blood manipulation happened, for performance enhancing purposes, then it is in fact, doping. But it's not going to go any further than that, because it wouldn't stand in court, as the process wasn't banned at the time the facts happened.
What's the (normal) point of UVing blood anyway ? |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 31-01-2012 06:52
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Aquarius wrote:
If such blood manipulation happened, for performance enhancing purposes, then it is in fact, doping. But it's not going to go any further than that, because it wouldn't stand in court, as the process wasn't banned at the time the facts happened.
What's the (normal) point of UVing blood anyway ?
The article says, that it is one of the east European methods of fighting the infection...
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| roturn |
Posted on 31-01-2012 09:31
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And that many experts don`t even think it hast any effect on infections as well. It`s more like medical occultism.
And surely not to improve the performance. I read somewhere yesterday that for blood manipulation with enhancing the performance you would need at least 250ml if not much more. The UV method just uses 30-50ml and as experts are saying it has no influence on the performance.
And maybe most important, the sports med did not go there because they wanted to dope. They even had to go there when they were ill as he was the main doc there for sports men. It might be a bit naive from me, but in this case I really doubt that all these sports men, who visited him had any clue that 3 years later there might be any problem with using this method.
If I go to a doc I also trust him that he is doing legal things and nothing like doping. |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 31-01-2012 10:08
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This case is such a strange shit. So what Kittel et al did is a kind of Soviet vodoo to treat flu?
He should get a ban for being a full retard. 
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| Lachi |
Posted on 31-01-2012 11:49
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kumazan wrote:
This case is such a strange shit. So what Kittel et al did is a kind of Soviet vodoo to treat flu?
He should get a ban for being a full retard. I would not blame the sportsmen, but all the officials and politicians should get fired/removed from their positions for installing such crap. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 31-01-2012 13:26
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Okay, Kittel did something which was banned just recently, but still it is not a small "thing" if WADA decided to ban this. It is still the blood manipulation.
If someone not so popular did this, i think the reaction of users here would be not so relieved.
But i understand this, as the bigger case would harm the picture of cycling in Germany (which is not good either), so everyone is happy with the outcome
WADA banned the concept of withdrawing blood and injecting it again - not this particular treatment. That's a distinction worth mentioning.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 31-01-2012 13:34
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CrueTrue wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Okay, Kittel did something which was banned just recently, but still it is not a small "thing" if WADA decided to ban this. It is still the blood manipulation.
If someone not so popular did this, i think the reaction of users here would be not so relieved.
But i understand this, as the bigger case would harm the picture of cycling in Germany (which is not good either), so everyone is happy with the outcome
WADA banned the concept of withdrawing blood and injecting it again - not this particular treatment. That's a distinction worth mentioning.
I agree with Kumazan, though
If i understand the article right, the blood was reinserted to their bodies. To be honest, i dont think they wanted to dope, i just think they are stupid 
Edit: Now i get it what you say, they ban all the manipulation with blood, this procedure is not particulary doping related, but who knows
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| cunego59 |
Posted on 31-01-2012 14:23
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Kittel himself made a statement now. He said he was very sad and very disappointed, it was like a nightmare for him to see his name on that list. He refers to that as the hardest day of his life. Although his team's statement gave him a lot of confidence, he knows that from now on, his name will always be linked to this affair.
As roturn said before, he pointed out that Franke was the doctor he was told to go to when he was sick (as he trained in that region), which he did. He says he trusted the guy and even asked him whether it was doping or not, which he negates.
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In this whole case, it appears as if one could hardly blame Kittel for anything. I mean, if a doctor tells you: "This method isn't doping", what are you expected to do, if not trust him?
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 31-01-2012 16:54
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cunego59 wrote:
In this whole case, it appears as if one could hardly blame Kittel for anything. I mean, if a doctor tells you: "This method isn't doping", what are you expected to do, if not trust him?
Doctor: "Let's try this treatment, it's really great"
Kittel: "But is it doping?"
Doctor (shifty looking): "uhhh... no. Of course not"
Kittel: "GREAT! Ok then!"
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| Lachi |
Posted on 31-01-2012 16:58
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As doddy13 somehow mentioned, why should you believe anybody? I mean, all athletes tell a lot of bullshit if the are accused of doping.
But in this case, the facts seems to be clear, so no lies would be needed.
Not to mention, that the procedure was allowed back then, so who cares if he went trough this treatment or not.
If I was Kittel or any of the other athletes, I would sue the idiot who made up this story. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 31-01-2012 21:52
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doddy13 wrote:
cunego59 wrote:
In this whole case, it appears as if one could hardly blame Kittel for anything. I mean, if a doctor tells you: "This method isn't doping", what are you expected to do, if not trust him?
Doctor: "Let's try this treatment, it's really great"
Kittel: "But is it doping?"
Doctor (shifty looking): "uhhh... no. Of course not"
Kittel: "GREAT! Ok then!"
"- I paid a gynecologist for training plans, and that makes a lot of sense.
- Alright Sir, you're free to go."
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