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Tour de France 11 Stage 14: Saint-Gaudens > Plateau de Beille 168.5km
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| kumazan |
Posted on 16-07-2011 21:32
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There was GC fight in the Giro. The fact that one rider was clearly better than the rest doesn't change it. Do you know what happened in the Giro and not in the Tour? Relevant attacks, and all the GC candidates getting to the mountains and not crashing out before.
Also inventing quotes doesn't make you right. anyway, I'm done with this. You seem to enjoy a succession of stages where nothing happens if that means a close fight for the GC. Fine. I don't. We agree to disagree.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 16-07-2011 21:34
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Basically, the reactions in this topic are the same as after the 2009 Tour.
NOTHING happened, the contenders did NOTHING and because of that they were all close to each other on GC, so the reaction of a lot of people was OMG IT'S SO EXCITING.
Which I just find mind boggling
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 16-07-2011 21:39
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issoisso wrote:
I've seen people here mention that Voeckler was 30 seconds faster than he was in 2004, but I have yet to see anyone mention something else:
If indeed Voeckler was 30 seconds faster, then Basso was over 4 minutes slower.
Basso was 1-2 minutes slower than 2004. Voekler was 3'30" faster, as I mentioned up thread
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| issoisso |
Posted on 16-07-2011 21:44
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Also, I haven't given my view on the racing, so here goes:
The also rans are the also rans. Most don't have the strength to attack, and if they do, nobody will care and they'll be let go (see Vanendert).
Contador is injured so he doesn't have the strength to attack and has only to limit his losses and hope he recovers.
Evans is playing to his strengths, he's hanging on and hoping to stay in touch until the TT.
That leaves Basso and the Schlecks. The onus is on all of them to make the race. Basso tried, but the problem was the Schlecks. They're too scared of blowing up and losing meaningful time so instead of putting in serious attacks they were pussyfooting around, putting in little probing accelerations instead of going for an actual attack.
Andy is complaining they have no support, just as he always complains about everything under the sun, but the fact is simple: it's up to him to make the race and he just wasn't trying.
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 16-07-2011 21:49
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To be honest, I found this to be the most boring stage of the race so far.
There are always some who will dimiss the flatter stages and only care for action in the mountains, but Ive found the race to be really interesting so far, but today? Same old, same old, GC guys not really splitting up despite the fact that some really need time, and then they just let 1 or 2 riders ride away to the stage win because theyre not deemed important enough to immediately jump on their wheel when they make a short attack. Factors such as Voeckler punching above his weight at least help to keep up some interest, and at least Basso was more obviously doing as much as he could, he just isnt suited to the style of racing that it turned out to be.
Cadel Evans must surely be pretty happy though.
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 16-07-2011 21:49
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issoisso wrote:
Also, I haven't given my view on the racing, so here goes:
The also rans are the also rans. Most don't have the strength to attack, and if they do, nobody will care and they'll be let go (see Vanendert).
Contador is injured so he doesn't have the strength to attack and has only to limit his losses and hope he recovers.
Evans is playing to his strengths, he's hanging on and hoping to stay in touch until the TT.
That leaves Basso and the Schlecks. The onus is on all of them to make the race. Basso tried, but the problem was the Schlecks. They're too scared of blowing up and losing meaningful time so instead of putting in serious attacks they were pussyfooting around, putting in little probing accelerations instead of going for an actual attack.
Andy is complaining they have no support, just as he always complains about everything under the sun, but the fact is simple: it's up to him to make the race and he just wasn't trying.
I bet you are the only person in the world who's race summary today didn't mention Voeckler 
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 16-07-2011 21:54
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mb2612 wrote:
issoisso wrote:
I've seen people here mention that Voeckler was 30 seconds faster than he was in 2004, but I have yet to see anyone mention something else:
If indeed Voeckler was 30 seconds faster, then Basso was over 4 minutes slower.
Basso was 1-2 minutes slower than 2004. Voekler was 3'30" faster, as I mentioned up thread Yes but your sources aren't necessarily more reliable than those stating Voeckler was 30 seconds faster instead.  |
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| BouBBox |
Posted on 16-07-2011 21:56
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kumazan wrote:
There was GC fight in the Giro. The fact that one rider was clearly better than the rest doesn't change it. Do you know what happened in the Giro and not in the Tour? Relevant attacks, and all the GC candidates getting to the mountains and not crashing out before.
Also inventing quotes doesn't make you right. anyway, I'm done with this. You seem to enjoy a succession of stages where nothing happens if that means a close fight for the GC. Fine. I don't. We agree to disagree.
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Stage 1: TTT vs uphill sprint. Tour marginally better
sure what an exciting TTT! "marginally"
Stage 5: exciting sterrato stage vs sprint. Giro clearly better
Exciting? I was really waiting for Strade; result 1 attack : Gadret vs Weening, Gadret couldn't follow, and a peleton sprint in last km! Exciting
Stage 6: sprint after some uphill kms vs easy uphill sprint. Giro better
wtf? why please?lots happend too in the finish of the TdF (Malori, Voeckler/Vanendert)
Stage 7: easy muntain stage vs sprint. Giro marginally better
Well nothing happend in the Mountain stage, De Clerq attacked and nothing until 500m from the finish. Disappointing mountain stage, but if any mountain stage=better then any flat ok np.
Stage 9: mountain stage with decent attacks vs hilly stage with a consented breakaway.
Decent attacks? 1attack Contador easy win, how exciting
Stage 10: sprint vs sprint
Don't forget the yellow and green jersey getting out in the final 
Stage 13: not too exciting mountain stage vs mountain stage with consented breakaway. Giro marginally better
You don't like breakaways do you? It was a nice ride between Roy and Hushovd, Giro stage was BORING, Contador and Rujano get out quite early in the last climb no match between them Contador leaves the victory.
Stage 14: Zoncolan vs today's shame of a race. Grio MUCH better
Just because it is the Zoncolan doesn't make it better, Exactly the same situation with Vanendert <=> Anton
(EDIT : This is just so you get what's in my mind, not to go against you)
But I am respecting your point of view, to each his own.
I didn't see relevant attacks except from Contadors in the Giro but I've might have missed something. There was a few attacks in the two mounta stages,not going far but still.(Franck, Andy, even Basso tried)
And you don't have to be agressive and mean, what quote did I invent?
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Edited by BouBBox on 16-07-2011 22:01
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| dakey11 |
Posted on 16-07-2011 21:56
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just got home from work to watch the replay and im aswell unhappy with todays stage bar the fact cadel looked good and voeckler holding on to the yellow
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| BouBBox |
Posted on 16-07-2011 21:58
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mb2612 wrote:
issoisso wrote:
I've seen people here mention that Voeckler was 30 seconds faster than he was in 2004, but I have yet to see anyone mention something else:
If indeed Voeckler was 30 seconds faster, then Basso was over 4 minutes slower.
Basso was 1-2 minutes slower than 2004. Voekler was 3'30" faster, as I mentioned up thread
Sources, because french tv and radio said 30" :S
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| chuftek |
Posted on 16-07-2011 21:58
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If Vanedert is in such a good shape, it would be interesting to see Van den Broeck He would smash them all Also Brajkovic and Klöden could make this stage a lot more interesting. But unfortunatelly they had bad luck  I just hope Voeckler can keep his jersey as long as possible, a podium finnish is possible (in my eyes)
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 16-07-2011 22:00
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BouBBox wrote:
mb2612 wrote:
issoisso wrote:
I've seen people here mention that Voeckler was 30 seconds faster than he was in 2004, but I have yet to see anyone mention something else:
If indeed Voeckler was 30 seconds faster, then Basso was over 4 minutes slower.
Basso was 1-2 minutes slower than 2004. Voekler was 3'30" faster, as I mentioned up thread
Sources, because french tv and radio said 30" :S
cycling news forum was mine, I presume someone timed it
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Posted on 16-07-2011 22:03
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mb2612 wrote:
cycling news forum was mine, I presume someone timed it
EDIT : stupid me forum = comment ofc ><
Do you have a link? (I know I am ennoying but I am very curious ^^)
Edited by BouBBox on 16-07-2011 22:04
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 16-07-2011 22:08
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BouBBox wrote:
mb2612 wrote:
cycling news forum was mine, I presume someone timed it
EDIT : stupid me forum = comment ofc ><
Do you have a link? (I know I am ennoying but I am very curious ^^)
no sorry, I think it's in the Voekler doping thread though, also Science of Sport agrees.
Furthermore it gives the same W/kg as Thursday so agrees on a theoretical level as well
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| issoisso |
Posted on 16-07-2011 22:16
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So, there's the stage to Pinerolo and the Alpe d'Huez to make some gaps.
There's also the Galibier stage, but the only gap that stage will cause is when the sprinters get dropped.
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| dakey11 |
Posted on 16-07-2011 22:18
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i hope we see massive fireworks on Alpe d'Huez
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| spudde |
Posted on 16-07-2011 22:21
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Fränk Schleck is apparently saying that the Schlecks and Basso were the only ones actually trying to race. I have to say that the attacks we saw here seemed extremely weak.. First, noone seems to have the team currently to pull up the final mountain and decrease the number of riders in the leading group to 5-8. And second, what on earth do the Schlecks for instance think that they can achieve with attacks that last maybe 10m and then they slow down when a few guys are coming up. If there are over 10 riders in the group someone will always try to follow so they should just keep going and push them over the limit if they actually had the strength to do that |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 16-07-2011 22:34
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mb2612 wrote:
Furthermore it gives the same W/kg as Thursday so agrees on a theoretical level as well
How much's the figure ? |
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| sosososik |
Posted on 16-07-2011 22:34
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Just downloaded the stage to time the climb.
Vanendert climbed the Plateau de Beille in 46:04 minutes.Voeckler in 46:52. |
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Posted on 16-07-2011 22:36
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sosososik wrote:
Just downloaded the stage to time the climb.
Vanendert climbed the Plateau de Beille in 46:04 minutes.Voeckler in 46:52.
It's not probably the best source when it comes to cycling, but Wikipedia says it one minute faster than that https://en.wikiped..._de_Beille
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