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| Gustavovskiy |
Posted on 27-12-2008 20:16
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| issoisso |
Posted on 28-12-2008 10:05
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CrueTrue wrote:
Two doping stories:
Remember Bileka? He got fired / left Silence Lotto himself earlier this year due to personal reasons. No other reasons were given, but now, he's been given a 2 year suspension by UCI for use of doping.
The substance has now been named. EPO.
Lotto trying to let this slide as a "retirement" at the time, says a hell of a lot about that team.
Is this related to popovych's good performances before the positive of his best friend and teammate going downhill afterwards?
Before: Paris-Nice
Afterwards: Tour de France1
Also, it's funny reading the "season comments" on cyclingnews. All the team managers hype up their own riders and all the journalists from around the world hype up their own countrymen and national races.
Chauvinist much?
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| schleck93 |
Posted on 28-12-2008 10:37
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issoisso wrote:
CrueTrue wrote:
Two doping stories:
Remember Bileka? He got fired / left Silence Lotto himself earlier this year due to personal reasons. No other reasons were given, but now, he's been given a 2 year suspension by UCI for use of doping.
The substance has now been named. EPO.
Lotto trying to let this slide as a "retirement" at the time, says a hell of a lot about that team.
Is this related to popovych's good performances before the positive of his best friend and teammate going downhill afterwards?
Before: Paris-Nice
Afterwards: Tour de France1
Also, it's funny reading the "season comments" on cyclingnews. All the team managers hype up their own riders and all the journalists from around the world hype up their own countrymen and national races.
Chauvinist much?
Could you give a link to that?
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| issoisso |
Posted on 28-12-2008 10:41
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It's in the news for each day on the front page. They've been printing a few comments from different people every day. Today was part 2. |
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 28-12-2008 10:51
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Italians - Ballan,
Brits - Cav
US - (to be fair, Vaughters did big up Dan Martin)
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 28-12-2008 10:57
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rjc_43 wrote:
Italians - Ballan,
Brits - Cav
US - (to be fair, Vaughters did big up Dan Martin)
The only Brit Daniel Freibe mentioned was Froome  |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 28-12-2008 11:26
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rjc_43 wrote:
US - (to be fair, Vaughters did big up Dan Martin)
Which team does Martin ride for?  |
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| schleck93 |
Posted on 28-12-2008 11:37
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issoisso wrote:
It's in the news for each day on the front page. They've been printing a few comments from different people every day. Today was part 2.
Thx found it.
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 28-12-2008 13:19
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issoisso wrote:
rjc_43 wrote:
US - (to be fair, Vaughters did big up Dan Martin)
Which team does Martin ride for?
Garmin, but he is Irish |
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| Wiggo |
Posted on 28-12-2008 13:36
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Deadpool wrote:
issoisso wrote:
rjc_43 wrote:
US - (to be fair, Vaughters did big up Dan Martin)
Which team does Martin ride for?
Garmin, but he is Irish
team managers hype up their own riders |
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| Halvor |
Posted on 28-12-2008 15:04
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Dan Martin will win the 2010 Tour
I'm almost sure |
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| chuckie |
Posted on 28-12-2008 15:18
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Dessel wrote:
Dan Martin will win the 2010 Tour
I'm almost sure
I can't see him winning that early,I don't think he has it in him yet IMO.
Bad time triallist and can't climb as well as Contador or Schleck
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| untal |
Posted on 28-12-2008 15:30
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Dessel wrote:
Dan Martin will win the 2010 Tour
I'm almost sure
I think he won't ever win it... |
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 28-12-2008 15:38
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untal wrote:
Dessel wrote:
Dan Martin will win the 2010 Tour
I'm almost sure
I think he won't ever win it...
I think he could win it, but when you consider how strong his generation is (Schleck, even Contador, etc.) he might not be able to. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 28-12-2008 15:54
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Deadpool wrote:
untal wrote:
Dessel wrote:
Dan Martin will win the 2010 Tour
I'm almost sure
I think he won't ever win it...
I think he could win it, but when you consider how strong his generation is (Schleck, even Contador, etc.) he might not be able to.
Even allowing for the decrease of doping, "his generation" is still way below where it should be in terms of climbing powers, compared to the level of most generations.
That said, it's impossible to know who the best will be, or how good any of them will be.
It's easy to say that everyone knew that Armstrong, Merckx, Induráin would be superstars, but at the same time, everyone "knew" that Jean-François Bernard, Valentino China or Yaroslav Popovich would be superstars....
It's impossible to say. Look at the top climbers in the world right now. Would anyone say when they turned pro that they had the potential to be this good? If anyone said that, he'd be scoffed.
It's literally impossible to predict |
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 28-12-2008 15:58
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issoisso wrote:
Deadpool wrote:
untal wrote:
Dessel wrote:
Dan Martin will win the 2010 Tour
I'm almost sure
I think he won't ever win it...
I think he could win it, but when you consider how strong his generation is (Schleck, even Contador, etc.) he might not be able to.
Even allowing for the decrease of doping, "his generation" is still way below where it should be in terms of climbing powers, compared to the level of most generations.
That said, it's impossible to know who the best will be, or how good any of them will be.
It's easy to say that everyone knew that Armstrong, Merckx, Induráin would be superstars, but at the same time, everyone "knew" that Jean-François Bernard, Valentino China or Yaroslav Popovich would be superstars....
It's impossible to say. Look at the top climbers in the world right now. Would anyone say when they turned pro that they had the potential to be this good? If anyone said that, he'd be scoffed.
It's literally impossible to predict
Granted, but guys like Contador, Schleck and Kreuziger [sic] have already proven that they have strong climbing abilities, Contador and Schleck consistently have climbed well, and Kreuziger has had strong rides in races such as the Tour de Suisse. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 28-12-2008 16:01
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My point on that is that, so far, none of those three has shown the climbing performances of previous generations.
Throw a Beloki in there, and Beloki wins easily and is being compared to Merckx.
That's just how things go. Even Merkx himself is probably overhyped due to racing against slightly weaker generations than the usual ones. |
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 28-12-2008 16:03
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issoisso wrote:
My point on that is that, so far, none of those three has shown the climbing performances of previous generations.
Throw a Beloki in there, and Beloki wins easily and is being compared to Merckx.
That's just how things go. Even Merkx himself is probably overhyped due to racing against slightly weaker generations than the usual ones.
I would say that Contador has proven his climbing prowess, although that makes sense for many other riders |
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 28-12-2008 16:05
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issoisso wrote:
It's literally impossible to predict
I agree it's impossible to predict who will become great in what area, but I do think it's possible to predict how far a rider will go, or whether he'll actually have any good results. It appears to help if your dad was a cyclist for one. But thats probably because they get the correct training. Not only training, but I reckon mentally, the ones that succeed, are much stronger than those weaker willed/motivated/confident/etc.
EDIT: For example, Dan Martin has probably the best chance of many young Irish riders as he is believed in by his team manager 100%, and has such a great back up team behind him, provided at no extra cost to him, by Garmin.
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| schleck93 |
Posted on 28-12-2008 16:05
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issoisso wrote:
I think he won't ever win it...
It's easy to say that everyone knew that Armstrong, Merckx, Induráin would be superstars, but at the same time, everyone "knew" that Jean-François Bernard, Valentino China or Yaroslav Popovich would be superstars....
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Rumers will know that he stopped his carrer because he didn't want to keep doping but if he didn't dope he wouldn't win anything and get a proper salary, so he decided to stop his carerer
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