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| schleck93 |
Posted on 04-08-2009 13:11
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Yes, Norway only have 3 riders who can do the full 250 km.
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| ruben |
Posted on 04-08-2009 13:24
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I could also name more reasons why this ranking is so wrong
1) It is from 1 january to 15 august, thus ignoring the Vuelta. Nice, certainly when your countries best rider did his best result in the vuelta last year, and is going to do the same this year probably
2) The ranking is way too dependant on the few top riders a nation has. Especially with nations other than Spain/Italy that is. For instance, if Hushovd would give up in Roubaix and Boasson Hagen would get injured and quit the Giro after 5 stages, there is no way Norway would be even in the top 15 of the world ranking.
Why do I say this? Because Gesink got injured before the Fleche Wallone. Maaskant fell on a crucial moment in Paris Roubaix, and Gesink once again fell in the tour. Thus 'losing' tons of 'certain' points. If the same happens to Norway (Hushovd/Hagen), Great Britain (Cavendish/Wiggins) or Luxemburg (both Schlecks) ..then what?
3) The ranking is clearly unstable and not suited for pro cycling. It also takes in account very few races and only a very few riders (the best 5). France is also clearly nailed by this rule, as only the best 5 count, it doesn't matter how they have tons of good riders with points, as only the best five count. In the old UCI ranking, the best 10 riders counted and all UCI races counted (now that would be Pro Tour to 2.2). Giving a much better overview of the stength of countries.
4) When you are not in the top 10 of the World Tour ranking, the UCI looks at the continental rankings. Netherlands and France are 2 and 3 there, so they can have 6 riders. But Czech Republic for instance is 23th, and therefore can only bring 3 riders to the worlds (Because kreuziger is in the world tour ranking), where for instance Iran can have 6.
It makes NO sense. Whoever made up this ranking was clearly drunk. |
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| Goldberger |
Posted on 04-08-2009 13:48
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schleck93 wrote:
Yes, Norway only have 3 riders who can do the full 250 km.
Stfu, and stop talking about things you don't know jack shit about
First of all Norway has five riders who are definantly capable of finishing, Hushovd, Arvesen, Boasson Hagen, Rasch and Lars Petter Nordhaug(57th last year). Plus we have three riders who have already shown good results in Europe and rode with Team Colombia and Saxo Bank at their training camps, Aleksander Kristoff, Fredrik Willman and Stian Remme. These riders can also finish the WC. |
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 04-08-2009 13:51
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if you say things like that i can say belgium has 50 riders who can finish and yet we can only 6 or is it 9?
prevent hangovers --> stay drunk
pozzato, basically the most stupid cyclist around
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| schleck93 |
Posted on 04-08-2009 13:52
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Kristoff, Willman and Remme are riding on the continental tour, hardly no races there are above or close to 200 km and when they aren't even used to riding 200 km, then 250 km in a pace way above what they are used to, is not something they'll be able to deal with.
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 04-08-2009 14:01
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Having read the rules, Switzerland gets 6 people automatically as host.
Currently as far as I can tell the following teams with amount of riders is as follows with reasons why included.
A) As top ten in the world
Spain 9
Italy 9
Australia 9
Germany 9
Russia 9
Luxenburg 9
Belgium 9
Britain 9
Norway 9
USA 9
B) As top 2 in Africa
South Africa 6
Tunisia 3
C) As top 5 in America
Columbia 6
Venezuala 6
Argentina 3
Brazil 3
Canada 3
D) Top 3 in Asia
Japan 6
Kazakstan 3
Iran 3
E) Top 16 in Europe
France 6
Netherlands 6
Slovenia 6
Poland 6
Portugal 6
Ukraine 6
Denmark 3
Estonia 3
Austria 3
Slovakia 3
Croatia 3
Sweden 3
Serbia 3
Hungary 3
Czech Rep 3
Bulgaria 3
F) Top of Oceana
New Zeland 3
G) Because of Individual Riders in World Classificatin
Ireland 3
Belarus 3
Lithuania 1
Finland 1
H) Individual riders in Continent Classification
Namibia 1
Cuba 1
Chile 1
Costa Rica 1
Ecuador 1
Uraguay 1
Latvia 1
I) As Host
Switzerland 6
Edited by mb2612 on 04-08-2009 14:49
 [url=www.pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=33182] Team Santander Media Thread[/url]
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| norwegianblue |
Posted on 04-08-2009 14:06
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No USA team then? |
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 04-08-2009 14:07
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norwegianblue wrote:
No USA team then?
No, they will send 9 riders |
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 04-08-2009 14:50
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Sorry missed out Russia and the US, I have corrected it now.
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 04-08-2009 17:44
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They have to because of political reasons. McQuaid has to have Lance in the Protour. Lance coming back is a huge marketing and fundraising opportunity for cycling, and with the Protour being the one of the two things that McQuaid really needs to fight for right now (the other being cycling's economic viability) McQuaid needs Lance in it.
If it is true it does not taste good at all.
Stupid but I have to say it.Lets give to David Beckham pro tour licence then isnt that also huge marketing and fundraising opportunity.
Cycyling is hugh sport and will survive without Lance.. |
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 04-08-2009 17:46
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Guido Mukk wrote:
Deadpool wrote:
They have to because of political reasons. McQuaid has to have Lance in the Protour. Lance coming back is a huge marketing and fundraising opportunity for cycling, and with the Protour being the one of the two things that McQuaid really needs to fight for right now (the other being cycling's economic viability) McQuaid needs Lance in it.
If it is true it does not taste good at all.
Stupid but I have to say it.Lets give to David Beckham pro tour licence then isnt that also huge marketing and fundraising opportunity.
Cycyling is hugh sport and will survive without Lance..
I agree, but McQuaid is McQuaid, and he'll want to squeeze everything he can out of Lance and his return. |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 04-08-2009 17:49
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You are right ..mr. Ultimatum is in panic..soon he has just Worlds left |
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| jolly_antunes |
Posted on 04-08-2009 17:54
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ruben wrote:
2) The ranking is way too dependant on the few top riders a nation has. Especially with nations other than Spain/Italy that is. For instance, if Hushovd would give up in Roubaix and Boasson Hagen would get injured and quit the Giro after 5 stages, there is no way Norway would be even in the top 15 of the world ranking.
Why do I say this? Because Gesink got injured before the Fleche Wallone. Maaskant fell on a crucial moment in Paris Roubaix, and Gesink once again fell in the tour. Thus 'losing' tons of 'certain' points. If the same happens to Norway (Hushovd/Hagen), Great Britain (Cavendish/Wiggins) or Luxemburg (both Schlecks) ..then what?
You're comparing countries that only have a 5/6 riders in the best teams with a country that as one of the best teams in the ProTour and several other riders riding for big teams. Just because Netherland has more does that mean they should have more riders in the WC?? Screw the tiny countries just because they have few riders...
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 04-08-2009 18:00
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Out of Interest when was the last time a rider won from a team without 9 people?
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 04-08-2009 18:05
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mb2612 wrote:
Out of Interest when was the last time a rider won from a team without 9 people?
1998 Oscar Camenzind (SUI)
2000 Romans Vainšteins (LAT)
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| Ildabaoth |
Posted on 04-08-2009 18:05
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https://www.cyclin...-innocence
"I received a call from the UCI and I thought it was a joke," said Astarloza. "I was surprised because I know I did nothing. If I had taken something I would have given a wrong address [to the controllers]."
Astarloza found a new infalible antidoping test: just verify addresses given by the cyclist. If he gives a wrong one, he is doped; elsewhere he is clean beyond any doubt.
Edited by Ildabaoth on 04-08-2009 18:14
Disclaimer: The above post reflects just the personal opinion of the author and not a fact. But if you read it, you must accept it as the ultimate truth.
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| Goldberger |
Posted on 04-08-2009 18:11
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Astarloza is an idiot, and Euskatel has buried their own grave.
How come nobody ever questions Igor GD Galdeano's position role in this team, afterall he was involved in operacion puerto and only got away because he had already retired.
I never really viewed Euskatel as a doping team but now.....
Mayo, A Gonzales, Landaluze(x2) and Astarloza. This can't be a coincidence. |
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| kadel |
Posted on 04-08-2009 18:13
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Breschel will win it. |
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| schleck93 |
Posted on 04-08-2009 18:20
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I doubt it, Denmakr are only getting 3 people in, so it will be almost impossible to do with a team of Breschel, C.Sørensen and either N.Sørensen, Bak, Fuglsang or maybe Vandborg.
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| raar1991 |
Posted on 04-08-2009 18:27
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Lithuania only 1 place, so sad ;/ |
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