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| Arnout |
Posted on 31-07-2009 23:24
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Eddy Merckx wrote:
English, please. 
Basically what they're saying is that Landaluze was tested positive in the Dauphine (results came midway in the Tour) by the UCI. The team already had its doubts about Landaluze thanks to there internal code and so he was not selected for the nationals and for the races to follow. Later in July they would meet and talk about the situation, but before that the results of the UCI came. The team ensures that the dopingcase was individual and will dismiss Landaluze if the result of the B - sample is also positive.
And of course they did not want to bring Landaluze in discredit so they did not suspend him officially before the meeting or further results, that's not more than logical.
@Resident Moron: Believing or not believing them is your choice, but don't say they have no internal controls or that their internal controls are crap. Because then you are plainly and undoubtfully wrong. |
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Posted on 31-07-2009 23:27
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Arnout wrote:
@Resident Moron: Believing or not believing them is your choice, but don't say they have no internal controls or that their internal controls are crap. Because then you are plainly and undoubtfully wrong.
Yes, their controls are great.
The fact that they (and I'm quoting their official press release here) "Showed nothing" in Astarloza's case shows how brilliant they actually are
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Posted on 31-07-2009 23:31
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Well that's what you say and what you think, but they at least do have internal controls which work somehow in some way.
The fact that they react this way is rather unusual and a not so big team like Euskaltel always has to watch out for their behavings, otherwise selections for big races will become increasingly more difficult. Reacting like this has a certain risk and they deliberately take this risk. So there is at least some cause for them to react the way they do.
Its on the day two years ago the positive news from Mayo came by the way.
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Posted on 31-07-2009 23:39
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Arnout wrote:
Well that's what you say and what you think, but they at least do have internal controls which work somehow in some way.
Wow, such flawless logic
It's a very old trick by teams to have absolutely no internal controls whatsoever, but rave about how they have them and are extremely effective and how they want a clean team.
Remember Astana with Kessler, Mazzoleni, Kashechkin and Vino all getting caught in quick succession? They also raved about how they had awesome internal controls.
Arnout wrote:
The fact that they react this way is rather unusual and a not so big team like Euskaltel always has to watch out for their behavings, otherwise selections for big races will become increasingly more difficult. Reacting like this has a certain risk and they deliberately take this risk. So there is at least some cause for them to react the way they do.
Essentially that entire block of text means "Actions are caused by causes" 
Edited by issoisso on 31-07-2009 23:40
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| Arnout |
Posted on 31-07-2009 23:44
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Resident Moron wrote:
Arnout wrote:
Well that's what you say and what you think, but they at least do have internal controls which work somehow in some way.
Wow, such flawless logic
It's a very old trick by teams to have absolutely no internal controls whatsoever, but rave about how they have them and are extremely effective and how they want a clean team.
Remember Astana with Kessler, Mazzoleni, Kashechkin and Vino all getting caught in quick succession? They also raved about how they had awesome internal controls.
Seems you didn't listen to the Landaluze example. But I already thought you won't.
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Posted on 01-08-2009 00:02
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You do know that isso's name of "Resident Moron" is like one of them nicknames like 'skinny' for a real fat guy, or 'peanut' for a guy with a massive cojones.
He is actually very well informed on pretty much everything with the exception of things that shouldn't exist, like curling.
All I'm saying is don't be fooled into thinking he's stupid, when he speaks, he usually knows what he's on about
That was too nice towards isso, too biased. I like how you name is an anagram of 'outran', and isso, you're rubbish at curling knowledge.
EDIT: and I'm not liking how bad my grammar is
Slightly on topic, I was almost happy when Astarloza got his first win during the Tour, now I can certainly say that I couldn't care less about him. For the French however, this is turning into a better and better tour with each day after the tour has finished. I'm sure they'd rather be winning properly than by disqualification of another rider, but still I feel happy for them.
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| Ste117 |
Posted on 01-08-2009 00:40
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Can't believe it, Astarloza testing positive has ripped my heart to shreds. Astarloza to me is a personal idol. Next years Tour will empty for me no Valverde and no Astorloza, I was on my feet cheering and so happy for him when he won his first Tour stage, I have looked up to the guy since I started watching the Tour, Im absolutely gutted and let down. |
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Posted on 01-08-2009 00:45
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Addy291 wrote:
He is actually very well informed on pretty much everything with the exception of things that shouldn't exist, like curling.
Hey, curling is as real a sport as NASCAR or golf. As Sam the Eagle would say, "I Disapprove"
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| kadel |
Posted on 01-08-2009 02:35
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Ste117 wrote:
Can't believe it, Astarloza testing positive has ripped my heart to shreds. Astarloza to me is a personal idol. Next years Tour will empty for me no Valverde and no Astorloza, I was on my feet cheering and so happy for him when he won his first Tour stage, I have looked up to the guy since I started watching the Tour, Im absolutely gutted and let down.
When are you gonna learn? There is no such thing as a clean rider. Everyone is doped. So I don't care. They compete on equal terms anyway. |
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Posted on 01-08-2009 07:57
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Internal controls = Slap on the wrist and "try not to get caught" |
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Posted on 01-08-2009 13:47
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As I see it, the only thing that would make some people feel good about this sport is a total purgatory of all the performance enhancers that are freely distributed on the market, not to mention all the below-the-counter baloney.
Let's start with the multivitamin drinks.
All in favour?
Aye!
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| Roo |
Posted on 01-08-2009 14:33
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kadel wrote:
When are you gonna learn? There is no such thing as a clean rider. Everyone is doped. So I don't care. They compete on equal terms anyway.
1. Everyone is not doped. There are probably many clean riders out there, but hardly many in the top flight of the sport.
2. Everyone doping doesn't mean equal competition. The better finances = the better means, methods and medicaments |
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 01-08-2009 14:39
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Deadpool wrote:
Addy291 wrote:
He is actually very well informed on pretty much everything with the exception of things that shouldn't exist, like curling.
Hey, curling is as real a sport as NASCAR or golf.
So you agree that its not a sport then?
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| obkris |
Posted on 01-08-2009 16:11
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Good the dopers get taken.
All the riders is not doped. The most of the riders uses hard work to get best. The dopers don't train because they think the drugs will work. |
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 01-08-2009 16:15
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obkris wrote:
Good the dopers get taken.
All the riders is not doped. The most of the riders uses hard work to get best. The dopers don't train because they think the drugs will work.
Yes, the riders who dope don't train.
In fact most of them only get on a bike to race. The rest of the time they spend chasing girls and partying.  |
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Posted on 01-08-2009 16:31
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fenian_1234 wrote:
In fact most of them only get on a bike to race. The rest of the time they spend chasing girls and partying.
In fact, they dont even race. They just hang around and look good. The top 20 of Le Tour are actually clean because all the dopers didnt even try to win anything
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Posted on 01-08-2009 16:43
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Waghlon wrote:
fenian_1234 wrote:
In fact most of them only get on a bike to race. The rest of the time they spend chasing girls and partying.
In fact, they dont even race. They just hang around and look good. The top 20 of Le Tour are actually clean because all the dopers didnt even try to win anything
I've got a question : if they don't train for results (and think that they will get away with the drugs), why don't they do something else ? Wouldn't it be better to try something else or an another sport? for exemple, why don't they pick a racket, learn to play tennis to become pros? They would earn more money then they would earn as a cyclist, and maybe it would be easier for them to spend 2-3 hours hitting a ball with a bat, then cycling 7-8 hours at speeds over 50 km/h . |
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Posted on 01-08-2009 16:43
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kadel wrote:
When are you gonna learn? There is no such thing as a clean rider. Everyone is doped. So I don't care. They compete on equal terms anyway.
Things aint that bad anymore..
But thrue ..this is dangerous to be a fanboy. choose a sprinter..you will have better chanches to get clean rider.
I am wondering..where is all Virenque and Pantani fans..are they still following the cycling?
As we talk at a moment about Contador and Schleck brothers. Maybe the key is cycling..If you love-like cycling then you will survive. |
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| MrContador |
Posted on 01-08-2009 17:21
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Guido Mukk wrote:
I am wondering..where is all Virenque and Pantani fans..are they still following the cycling?
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