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Le Tour 09: Stage 21: Montereau-Fault-Yonne - Paris Champs-Élysées
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| issoisso |
Posted on 26-07-2009 18:59
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https://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photo...M7PD8Ko%3D
Seb Lang's kid Emillio Lang (wtf is he an adopted south american kid?  ) likes to wear dad's gear while watching the Tour.
Edited by issoisso on 26-07-2009 19:00
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| Ildabaoth |
Posted on 26-07-2009 19:02
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Did you realise, Isso, that your link has a virus?
Edit: It wasn't the link, it is my computer with a new troyan horse. I guess I have some work to do...
Edited by Ildabaoth on 26-07-2009 19:03
Disclaimer: The above post reflects just the personal opinion of the author and not a fact. But if you read it, you must accept it as the ultimate truth.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 26-07-2009 19:03
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Huh? Kaspersky says there's nothing there |
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| Ildabaoth |
Posted on 26-07-2009 19:05
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issoisso wrote:
Huh? Kaspersky says there's nothing there
Yes, you're right, look at my edited post. 
Disclaimer: The above post reflects just the personal opinion of the author and not a fact. But if you read it, you must accept it as the ultimate truth.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 26-07-2009 19:06
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Oh. good luck with it!
I did think it was weird a twitter-hosted image would have a virus |
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| Dan_Grr |
Posted on 26-07-2009 20:18
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An image can't have a virus my friends. People on the other hand... oink oink. |
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| bobcatsman |
Posted on 26-07-2009 20:31
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schleck93 wrote:
They played the danish national anthem for Contador 
I love that !
But in Spain they didn't laughed, stupid chauvinism, I think that it's really funny ! |
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| KurtinSC |
Posted on 26-07-2009 21:55
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ponka00 wrote:
marble wrote:
10 points between Thor and Cavendish, Cav would've won with 4 points if he didn't get disqualified. Sad, but Cavendish will probably win alot of green jerseys in the future. If he wins 5 stage wins in average for the next 5 years he'll have more stages than anyone else in the TdF ever, no reason to complain too much about this one, although it will probably be remembered as a controversial green jersey winner.
It's not like Hushovd didn't deserve it either, especially after his solo brake away on the queen stage... After that even Cavendish said that Hushovd deserved it 
He needed every point though.
12 points from the brake. 14 points from the Cav relegation.
He didn't beat Cav in a single sprint when both were at the finish together (unless you count the one he complained to get Cav DQ'd). Even at the top of Ventoux it looked like Cav outsprinted him. Yeah, he won... but not through superior ability. Rather he won through filing a complaint... and even then it required him going on a break to get enough points to pull off the win. |
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| Johan92 |
Posted on 26-07-2009 22:01
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The green jersey isn't a sprint jersey, but a point jersey.
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| ruben |
Posted on 26-07-2009 22:22
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ringo182 wrote:
ruben wrote:
My detest for English/British people on PCM Daily grows every day, due to quotes like that.
Hoping for crashes? Damn, sorry but you guys are sick.
love you too ruben.
so hows tommy dekker doing? Dude, what the fuck does that have to do with hoping for falls?
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| Wolfos |
Posted on 26-07-2009 22:31
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KurtinSC wrote:
ponka00 wrote:
marble wrote:
10 points between Thor and Cavendish, Cav would've won with 4 points if he didn't get disqualified. Sad, but Cavendish will probably win alot of green jerseys in the future. If he wins 5 stage wins in average for the next 5 years he'll have more stages than anyone else in the TdF ever, no reason to complain too much about this one, although it will probably be remembered as a controversial green jersey winner.
It's not like Hushovd didn't deserve it either, especially after his solo brake away on the queen stage... After that even Cavendish said that Hushovd deserved it
He needed every point though.
12 points from the brake. 14 points from the Cav relegation.
He didn't beat Cav in a single sprint when both were at the finish together (unless you count the one he complained to get Cav DQ'd). Even at the top of Ventoux it looked like Cav outsprinted him. Yeah, he won... but not through superior ability. Rather he won through filing a complaint... and even then it required him going on a break to get enough points to pull off the win.
Some easy facts:
1. Hushovd didn't get Cavendish DQ'ed. The jury did it before the complaint was filed. Norwegian TV, Hushovd and other sources have confirmed this.
2. Hushovd stopped chasing points in intermediate sprints after Le Grande Bornand. Cavendish also gave up (pretty much). The whole race was changed after that, and the both became friends again.
Now, some questions:
Do you think Cavendish would have got 270 points with the support that Hushovd had this year? If Hushovd had a leadout of 8 men, and Cav none, would Cavendish have managed to find himself the perfect wheel and sprint past everyone to win 6 stages, like Hushovd has tried everytime?
Hushovd has superior positioning, climbing, power and stamina. Cavendish has superior acceleration, speed and team. You can't just compare the two and say "X is the superior TdF points jersey rider". Columbia is the superior team, by far, but still Hushovds ability let him contend and win the jersey.
Edited by Wolfos on 26-07-2009 22:33
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| ruben |
Posted on 26-07-2009 22:35
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I remember Cavendish' first Tour, when he had no team to lead him out and was hopelessly lost in most sprints.
He would have won stages without a team, perhaps even 3 or 4. But definately not 6. |
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| Wolfos |
Posted on 26-07-2009 22:37
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ruben wrote:
I remember Cavendish' first Tour, when he had no team to lead him out and was hopelessly lost in most sprints.
He would have won stages without a team, perhaps even 3 or 4. But definately not 6.
I agree. The leadout covers all of Cavs weaknesses, except for his inability to do stuff like Hushovd did in the Alps.
Edited by Wolfos on 26-07-2009 22:38
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 26-07-2009 22:41
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ruben wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
ruben wrote:
My detest for English/British people on PCM Daily grows every day, due to quotes like that.
Hoping for crashes? Damn, sorry but you guys are sick.
love you too ruben.
so hows tommy dekker doing? Dude, what the fuck does that have to do with hoping for falls?
Oh, and you're an idiot
nothing really, just bored
on a serious note though i don't think anyone in Britain really wanted Hushovd to fall. it was just a tongue in cheek coment.
there will always be a debate about whether Hushovd deserved the win but i think he rode smartly throughout the tour. he was obviously outclassed by cavendish head to head so he had to be clever to get his points and thats what he did.
i think you need to understand that in Britain we've never had anyone any good on the world stage. Tommy Simpson was good but died before he reached his full potential and then robert millar was cose but not close enough.
suddenly we have the best sprinter in the world (possibly ever) and a man who has dominated on the track who suddenly realised he could compete in the grand tours. it's very exiting times to be a cyclist in britain and sometimes this exitement can be a bit annoying to those outside Britain.
but we've had to put up with it from you guys for a hundred years |
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| ruben |
Posted on 26-07-2009 22:49
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Well take it from the other side. The Dutch had their glory period in the 80-ties. Winning many stage in the Tour, winning other tours, classics, world championships, and then the 90-ties came...and suddenly nothing. Since then it has been an awfull period and every rider with talent is hailed as a potential TDF winner.
Then they either break from all the pressure (Remmert Wielinga), become a classic specialist (Michael Boogerd) or grab to dope where they don't need it (T.Dekker).  Hard times, since in the Netherlands, apart from the real cycling lovers (like me) nobody cares about anything BUT the Tour de France. So they don't care if Maaskant finishes 4th in Flanders and Roubaix. They only care if somebody is able to win the Tour or not. |
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| jt1109 |
Posted on 27-07-2009 00:24
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can i just say its like that in britain now but they only care about track cycling cav when i won 4 stages in last years tour got 4 seconds on britains sports personality of the year chris hoy won the whole thing.
Also sorry for the husovd comments about him crashing. I was just stating that it would have been a good thing for britsh cycling to have won a jersey at the tour we might have actually paid attention. |
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| Cuccir |
Posted on 27-07-2009 10:49
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After this year you'll see the TdF get more and more coverage in the UK. To be fair, Hoy won three Olympic golds - the first Brit in any sport to do that since 1908! The fact the tour is now high enough profile to be satirized indicates that it's growing:
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| KurtinSC |
Posted on 27-07-2009 12:02
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Wolfos wrote:
KurtinSC wrote:
ponka00 wrote:
marble wrote:
10 points between Thor and Cavendish, Cav would've won with 4 points if he didn't get disqualified. Sad, but Cavendish will probably win alot of green jerseys in the future. If he wins 5 stage wins in average for the next 5 years he'll have more stages than anyone else in the TdF ever, no reason to complain too much about this one, although it will probably be remembered as a controversial green jersey winner.
It's not like Hushovd didn't deserve it either, especially after his solo brake away on the queen stage... After that even Cavendish said that Hushovd deserved it
He needed every point though.
12 points from the brake. 14 points from the Cav relegation.
He didn't beat Cav in a single sprint when both were at the finish together (unless you count the one he complained to get Cav DQ'd). Even at the top of Ventoux it looked like Cav outsprinted him. Yeah, he won... but not through superior ability. Rather he won through filing a complaint... and even then it required him going on a break to get enough points to pull off the win.
Some easy facts:
1. Hushovd didn't get Cavendish DQ'ed. The jury did it before the complaint was filed. Norwegian TV, Hushovd and other sources have confirmed this.
2. Hushovd stopped chasing points in intermediate sprints after Le Grande Bornand. Cavendish also gave up (pretty much). The whole race was changed after that, and the both became friends again.
Now, some questions:
Do you think Cavendish would have got 270 points with the support that Hushovd had this year? If Hushovd had a leadout of 8 men, and Cav none, would Cavendish have managed to find himself the perfect wheel and sprint past everyone to win 6 stages, like Hushovd has tried everytime?
Hushovd has superior positioning, climbing, power and stamina. Cavendish has superior acceleration, speed and team. You can't just compare the two and say "X is the superior TdF points jersey rider". Columbia is the superior team, by far, but still Hushovds ability let him contend and win the jersey.
If Hushovd had the train and Cav was able to get his wheel, Cav would have won every one.
Would he be able to get Hushovd's wheel? I don't know. But he's better at getting position then he was last year. The one stage he did start behind this year he still won.
Is Hushovd a superior climber? Yes.
Positioning? Maybe.
Power and Stamina? I don't think so. Cav pulled away while sprinting from the front for 400-500 meters... for sprinting stamina that shows he probably had the edge. He also pulled away while sprinting on an slightly uphill finish. That tells me he's got the power edge too.
Hushovd won the points jersey because he is a crafty veteran, and Cav got relegated in a sprint for THIRTEENTH place. Regardless of if Thor's complaint caused it. He didn't win it because he was the superior "points rider". He won it because the guy who was got DQ'd (regardless of the cause).
Now you can say "he deserved it"... fine... that's your decision what to believe. But even believing that, at the most it got him 13th rather than 14th. A 2 point swing... not 14.
Hushovd didn't win on the road... he won due to a judge's decision. It's like a boxer beating the crap out of another boxer, but then getting disqualified for a below the belt punch. Yeah... the guy who got pummeled won... but it's not like he was the superior fighter. |
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| Addy291 |
Posted on 27-07-2009 12:12
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There wasn't much decision about it. Cav clearly blocked Hushovd.
And technically it is a consistency jersey, Hushovd won it by being more consistent than Cav. Hushovd added to his total during his breakaway and during the stage where he got some points at the finish of a slightly hilly stage and Cav had already got dropped.
Cav is by far the better sprinter at 200m (or more) but it isn't a pure sprinters jersey, there used to be, but now it is a consistency jersey which isn't settled completly over the final 200m.
Cav isn't bothered anymore that he got disqualified because he realised that he did block Hushovd, he's not even that bothered that he didn't win the green jersey, his goal when entering the tour was stage wins and to make it to Paris, next year he said his goal is to win the green jersey. So if he isn't that bothered about it, why are you and Wolfos arguing about it?
Cav is just delighted to be the most successful Britain at the Tour de France ever, next year is when he goes for the illusive green jersey.
Edited by Addy291 on 27-07-2009 12:18
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| Smowz |
Posted on 27-07-2009 12:20
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That sprint in Paris underlines the whole Columbia - Cavendish dominence of the Sprints in this years TdF. One man and one team dominating the sprints is nothing new - but I cannot recall a Paris Sprint quite like the one we had yesterday.
Hushovd, won the sprint jersey really well I thought - I mean he had to fight real hard with the likes of Farrar, Ciolek and Friere just for Cavs wheel. Its nice to see someone challenging the young manxman and beating him for something.
It was an interesting DQ moment many say the positions should have been reversed - but my opinion Cav should have done better in Barcelona and in most occasions a Green jersey man looks to get in a break and get some of the intermediate sprint points. Hushovd did this and it proved important in Paris.
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