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Di Luca positive for CERA
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| issoisso |
Posted on 22-07-2009 22:55
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sindre- wrote:
issoisso, watch tv, and learn something..
You're attacking me personally. Am I supposed to answer?
sindre- wrote:
Doping causes ''better legs'' and lower heart-rate, making it easier to attack in climbings.
That's a very simplistic, not to say wrong, view. Doping causes many things. Just what, exactly, varies with the kind of doping.
sindre- wrote:
What you saw in 2007 tour, Rasmussen and Contador, an beatiful example of what you can do if you are doped.
Yes it is.
sindre- wrote:
My point is; Have you ever seen Andy do such as Contador? Attack after attack after attack?
So your logic is that if someone hasn't done that, he can't have doped.
So by your logic, it's impossible that proven dopers such as Hamilton, Ullrich, Basso, RebellÃn, Pfannberger, Colom, etc, have doped, because they've never done that either.
Do you see the flaw in your reasoning now?
sindre- wrote:
Nope that man do acctualy get high heart rate, and he acctualy get tired and do get hurt in the climbs.
So if a guy's heart rate rises, or he gets tired and his legs hurt in the climbs, then he can't be doped?
According to your logic, then, no one has ever been doped, ever. Because every rider hurts and gets tired in every GC stage.
sindre- wrote:
We saw something weird today, The King of Dope(Contador) got tired in the last climb. Didn't Johan Bruneel's(or somthing) Epo work today 
Drugs improve your performance. Without drugs, or with drugs, you're going to go until it hurts a lot, you're going to go as fast as your body allows you to go. It's always going to hurt a lot, you're always going to go to your limits, regardless of whether you're doping or not.
Simply your limits are higher under the effect of PEDs
So you've fallen for one of the two most ridiculous myths about doping.
For reference, those are:
1. If someone suffers, he can't be doped;
2. If someone's a nice guy, he can't be doped;
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 22-07-2009 23:01
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Guys wait for me, dont kill each other until ive found me popcorn!
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| sindre- |
Posted on 23-07-2009 00:22
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I see that you think that you are the king of this site, and you play too much pcm
I just think that you shuold think about what other people think, cause you just say an arguement and don't care what others think about it.
Either you dont understand my point of view, or you want to make fun of me. Either way, you attack the schlecks. Have fun, and sit back and wait to be supriesed, o'big king of cycling^^ |
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| BenBarnes |
Posted on 23-07-2009 01:04
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*Grabs second helping of popcorn* |
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| Bosskardo |
Posted on 23-07-2009 07:00
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Guys, you should just stop trying to predict who dopes. Just support the guy who you think is cooles and if he dopes then shit happens and dump him.
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 23-07-2009 07:18
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Well, I am extrememly surprised by this.
Wtf the UCI doing? I'd say "Well done", but am confident that if every other rider had been subjected to the same number of tests as Di Luca, then there would have been more positives.
Bet there are one or two at the Tour this makes nervous now that the new method of masking CERA has been broken... |
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| E_Hagen |
Posted on 23-07-2009 07:50
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As I say, Qué CERA, CERA. |
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| obkris |
Posted on 23-07-2009 07:52
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Really good to finally get him out.  |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 23-07-2009 07:59
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sindre- wrote:
I see that you think that you are the king of this site, and you play too much pcm
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Of course I do. In fact, I think of this site as my own and think of all of you as my slaves
How old are you? five?
sindre- wrote:
I just think that you shuold think about what other people think, cause you just say an arguement and don't care what others think about it.
Oh the delicious irony. Have you tried reading your own posts?
sindre- wrote:
Either you dont understand my point of view, or you want to make fun of me.
So if someone doesn't agree with you, the only two options are that that person doesn't understand you or that they want to make fun of you?
So you being wrong is not a possibility? Fantastic logic.
sindre- wrote:
Either way, you attack the schlecks. Have fun, and sit back and wait to be supriesed, o'big king of cycling^^
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| jack888 |
Posted on 23-07-2009 08:49
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LOL, you shouldnt think about what other people think
haha nice, keep it up!!!!
Edited by jack888 on 23-07-2009 08:51
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| jacknic |
Posted on 23-07-2009 09:02
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Bosskardo wrote:
Guys, you should just stop trying to predict who dopes. Just support the guy who you think is cooles and if he dopes then shit happens and dump him.
I sort of agree with you. I am getting crosseyed trying to figure out a none doped classement based on speculation about who is doping. I'll rather sit back and enjoy the riding and then be shocked and outraged when someone is caught. Call i naivity by choice.
Unless the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming of course |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 23-07-2009 09:11
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Di Luca was too obvious. It's still unbelieveable that he didn't get the 2 year suspension in the Oil for Drugs-thing.
Anyway, he's out - although I doubt that he'll retire. |
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| jacknic |
Posted on 23-07-2009 09:27
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He will be 35 when his ban is lifted (unless he gets life due to the drugs for oil ban). He won't have much left in him at that age. |
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| YtimK |
Posted on 23-07-2009 09:29
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CrueTrue wrote:
Di Luca was too obvious. It's still unbelieveable that he didn't get the 2 year suspension in the Oil for Drugs-thing.
Anyway, he's out - although I doubt that he'll retire.
didn't Vino as well claim that he will retire just to avoid the UCI ban and then announced a "surprising" comeback?
"Sometimes in football you have to score goals." - Thierry Henry understands
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| schleck93 |
Posted on 23-07-2009 09:47
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He can get a life time ban, UCI might wanna give him one to set an example, or he'll get 4 years either way he's gone.
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| Wyman |
Posted on 23-07-2009 10:01
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Well at least this will mean Cunego is captain for the world's
Which is good news for me
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Posted on 23-07-2009 10:17
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I bet you menchov is now looking over his shoulder every five mins The thing is now people will stop using cera and find a new substance. Or be having one made by scientists as we speak  |
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| Rinhoth |
Posted on 23-07-2009 12:24
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Wyman wrote:
Well at least this will mean Cunego is captain for the world's
Which is good news for me
Well, the reigning champion could also be made captain...
If children have the ability to ignore all odds and percentages, then maybe we can all learn from them. When you think about it, what other choice is there but to hope? We have two options, medically and emotionally: give up, or Fight Like Hell.
-Lance Armstrong
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| Wyman |
Posted on 23-07-2009 12:59
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Rinhoth wrote:
Wyman wrote:
Well at least this will mean Cunego is captain for the world's
Which is good news for me
Well, the reigning champion could also be made captain...
I suppose, thought the course would be to tough for him, don't think he'll have the same opportunity as last time...
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Posted on 23-07-2009 13:01
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Lets be honest mate cunego will be dropped aswell. To be honest ballan is probably a better climber than cunego  |
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