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| SeoulYank |
Posted on 22-07-2009 00:07
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Good result from Haussler
if you wouldn't mind, could you please post a screenshot of the top riders in the game?
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| SeoulYank |
Posted on 22-07-2009 00:41
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Tour of California
Past Winners
2007 Roman Kreuziger (Liquigas)
2008 Darren Lill (Navigators)
2009 David Zabriskie (Discovery Channel)
2010 Vincenzo Nibali (Liquigas)
2011 Danilo Di Luca (QuickStep)
2012 Mikhail Ignatiev (CSC)
While the Tour of California is not one of our sponsors goals, it is a team goal. We've only managed one win here, with David Zabriskie taking the race back in 2009.
The mountains and hills here aren't dangerous enough to allow for much separation between the contenders and there are two time trials over the course of the race. Therefore to win here means being strong in the time trials while having enough ability in the hills to create a gap over the top time trial specialists.
Fabian Cancellara has always performed well here because of his time trail capabilities, but he has never managed a win as he's lost critical seconds in the hills. Last season his CSC teammate, Mikhail Ignatiev - a strong time trialer in his own right, took home the win. CSC will again be amongst the top contendors as they bring a very strong time trial team with Cancellara, Ignatiev and Jakob Fielder.
For Discovery Channel, we are counting on Jason Donald to be our guy as he has the time trial skills and the climbing abilities. Tyler Farrar will be gunning for the points jersey. Andy Schleck, John Devine, Maxim Monfort and Yaroslav Popovych are all here as well as preparation for the March Pro Tour races with Paris-Nice being Andy's early season target. Still, even in poor fitness, Andy has the ability to surprise here.
Start List
Discovery Channel
1. A.Schleck
2. L.Boom
3. J.Devine
4. J.Donald
5. T.Farrar
6. M.Monfort
7. Y.Popovych
8. M.Reich
Predictor - Lotto
11. T.Martin
12. J.Baugnies
13. A.Gottfried
14. K.Hokkanen
15. L.Hoste
16. K.Imhof
17. D.Malacarne
18. K.Szczawinski
T-Mobile Team
21. R.Riccò
22. J.Casper
23. F.Civero
24. P.Jacobs
25. V.Safonov
26. S.Schreck
27. B.Second
28. Y.Sobal
Team CSC
31. M.Ignatiev
32. P.Bertin
33. M.Burghardt
34. F.Cancellara
35. S.Fieber
36. J.Fiedler
37. A.Palini
38. J.Rodas
Rabobank
41. I.Konovalovas
42. M.Ciano
43. T.Eltink
44. M.Hilbers
45. P.Longo Borghini
46. R.Marzoli
47. W.Palczewski
48. G.Suray
QuickStep
51. G.Brambilla
52. G.Devillers
53. J.Engoulvent
54. M.Hary
55. G.Hincapie
56. S.Ponzi
57. J.Rovira
58. Y.Zazroev
Liquigas
61. M.Mortensen
62. J.Almblad
63. E.Franzoï
64. A.Grivko
65. V.Gusev
66. Y.Krivtsov
67. N.Nuyens
68. J.Page
Gerolsteiner
71. F.Wegmann
72. A.Colin
73. J.Decouttere
74. A.Fanzel
75. Y.Gainullin
76. P.Gilbert
77. C.Sutton
78. J.Zen
Crédit Agricole
81. R.Andriato
82. A.Baranauskas
83. C.Castro
84. A.Greipel
85. J.Hivert
86. D.Napolitano
87. F.Ventoso
88. E.Vorganov
Toyota - United
91. G.Cerrato
92. Se.Chavanel
93. J.Fröhlinger
94. J.Gunnerud
95. E.Hubert
96. D.MartÃnez
97. D.Mellis
98. T.Wagner
Health Net
101. J.Van Kerckhoven
102. R.Bongiorno
103. C.Casas
104. R.Helling
105. D.Kudashev
106. J.Murphy
107. R.Osuna
108. K.Wells
Symmetrics
111. T.Kiendys
112. J-M.Alaluusua
113. A.Bracci
114. A.Cattardico
115. S.Colton
116. E.Eager
117. J.M.GarcÃa
118. F.Pereiro
Navigators
121. J.Bol
122. M.Carter
123. I.Gollum
124. P.Klein
125. S.Lagutin
126. A.Ravard
127. L.Schädlich
128. R.Weiss
Team Slipstream
131. K.Patour
132. F.Baliani
133. A.Borrajo
134. S.Dalton
135. J.Hruska
136. M.Pickering
137. N.Pieters
138. E.Salvi
BMC
141. A.Agostini
142. J.Garcia
143. S.Hofmann
144. P.Lechuga
145. M.MÃnguez
146. N.Rosado
147. M.Santambrogio
148. A.Stephen |
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| ursul |
Posted on 22-07-2009 00:52
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can you post a screenshot of the best rider'S stats?
When Nothing goes rigth, go left...
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Posted on 22-07-2009 00:59
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Tour of California
Stage 1: San Francisco ITT
Short ITT today and the goal is for Jason to lose as little time as possible to the big time trial guns of Fielder, Cancellara and Ignatiev.
Kari Hokkanen sets the first strong time of the day at 5'34" but that will only be good enough for 14th.
His time at the top doesn't last long as our Markus Reich sets the new top time at 5'24". We'll see if that holds up.
The first real threat is Martin Mortensen who comes through at 5'27", that will be good enough for 6th overall.
Jakob Fielder is next to come through and is setting a torrid pace. So torrid in fact that the photographer was not quick enough to snap a shot. He ends up besting Reich's time by 3 seconds at 5'21". That looks very good, but will it hold up?
Next through for Discovery Channel is our tour hope, Jason Donald. He does extremely well, coming in just behind Reich at 5'25". This bodes well.
Everyone watches as Cancellara hits the road, he is the most likely guy to top his teammate, Fielder. He crosses the line at 5'22" and Fielder's time holds.
Andy Schleck hits the road. As a stage racer, he is an excellent time trialer but he is low on fitness. Nevertheless, he does well and finishes at 5'28", good enough for 7th.
Defending champ, Mikhail Ignatiev, is the last guy who could top Fielder. He comes in only fractions of a second better than Reich, though, at 5'24". Fielder celebrates his stage win. While CSC celebrates an awesome showing that results in them grabbing the top 3 spots.
Last capable man through for Discovery Channel is Popovych. He does much better than expected at 5'30", grabbing 8th. As a result, Discovery Channel puts 4 guys in the top 10.
Jason Donald ends up 5th on the day, only 1 second behind Ignatiev. A great result!
Results
1 Jakob Fiedler TEAM CSC 5'21
2 Fabian Cancellara TEAM CSC + 2
3 Mikhail Ignatiev TEAM CSC + 3
4 Markus Reich DISCOVERY CHANNEL s.t.
5 Jason Donald DISCOVERY CHANNEL + 4
6 Martin Mortensen LIQUIGAS + 6
7 Andy Schleck DISCOVERY CHANNEL + 8
8 Yaroslav Popovych DISCOVERY CHANNEL + 10
9 Aivaras Baranauskas CRÉDIT AGRICOLE + 11
10 Yauhen Sobal T-MOBILE TEAM + 12
11 Rafael Andriato CRÉDIT AGRICOLE s.t.
12 John Devine DISCOVERY CHANNEL s.t.
13 Andrea Palini TEAM CSC s.t.
14 Kari Hokkanen PREDICTOR - LOTTO + 13
15 Nick Nuyens LIQUIGAS s.t.
16 Melchior Hilbers RABOBANK + 14
17 Eduard Vorganov CRÉDIT AGRICOLE s.t.
18 Julián Rodas TEAM CSC s.t.
19 Lars Boom DISCOVERY CHANNEL + 15
20 Tony Martin PREDICTOR - LOTTO s.t.
21 Jaume Rovira QUICKSTEP - INNERGETIC + 16
22 Milton Carter NAVIGATORS INSURANCE s.t.
23 Rotson Helling HEALTH NET PRESENTED BY MAXXIS s.t.
24 Ian Gollum NAVIGATORS INSURANCE s.t.
25 Michele Ciano RABOBANK + 17 |
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| ursul |
Posted on 22-07-2009 01:18
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SeoulYank wrote:
Deadpool wrote:
Good result from Haussler
if you wouldn't mind, could you please post a screenshot of the top riders in the game?
Will do next time I am on the game.
Waiting...
When Nothing goes rigth, go left...
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| SeoulYank |
Posted on 22-07-2009 01:22
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Patience my friend. I am at work so won't be able to do it until tonight (Korea time). |
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Posted on 22-07-2009 02:06
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SeoulYank wrote:
Patience my friend. I am at work so won't be able to do it until tonight (Korea time).
Ah ok. The only thing that I don't understand is that you have been able to post a stage result but not the stats
Hope that you will continue your story at least for a moment.
When Nothing goes rigth, go left...
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Posted on 22-07-2009 02:08
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SeoulYank wrote:
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24 Ian Gollum NAVIGATORS INSURANCE s.t.
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Gollum
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| SeoulYank |
Posted on 22-07-2009 02:30
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ursul wrote:
SeoulYank wrote:
Patience my friend. I am at work so won't be able to do it until tonight (Korea time).
Ah ok. The only thing that I don't understand is that you have been able to post a stage result but not the stats
Hope that you will continue your story at least for a moment.
I upload the screenshots to Photobucket at home and if I have time to kill at the office then I take that time to write the results. Don't tell my employers.  |
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Posted on 22-07-2009 11:11
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As promised. These are all of the riders with an average rating of 80 or above. Worth noting that of the riders on this list, one (Humberto Amilcar) is a regen. To me, the true test of any career game is whether or not quality regens are created as others retire. For PCM 2007, figure the earliest a regen could emerge to begin development was 2008. That gives maximum 5 full seasons of development by the time you get to early 2013. From my standpoint, to have a top 10 in the world cyclist emerge over that time is pretty good and speaks well for the regen system in the game.
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Posted on 22-07-2009 12:35
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Lol, Andy Schleck better than Contador in TT, and Boasson Hagen only 72 inn TT... :S
If children have the ability to ignore all odds and percentages, then maybe we can all learn from them. When you think about it, what other choice is there but to hope? We have two options, medically and emotionally: give up, or Fight Like Hell.
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Posted on 22-07-2009 12:56
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yeah and boasson hagen 85 sprint - it's ridiculous
pcm loses any realism it had after a few years
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| SeoulYank |
Posted on 22-07-2009 12:59
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It's the database, in this case PCM Spain. If you think about it though, who knows exactly how a cyclist will evolve over the course of 7 years? Even 1 year. One year ago who would have said Wiggins would be 3rd at the Tour de France during the 3rd week? |
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Posted on 22-07-2009 14:47
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Tour of California
Stage 2: Sausalito - Santa Rosa
Flat stage with a slight uphill climb 35km from the finish. That shouldn't impact the outcome, though, and we expect a sprint finish which means Tyler Farrar is the guy today.
An early break attempt consisting of 10 riders includes the aging George Hincapie. Great that big George can still compete.
The pack reacts, though, and hauls them back in. Only 3 manage to escape: Cattardico, Longo Borghini and Garcia. They are soon joined by Civero.
As the peloton reaches the hill before the finish, a few riders think they'll try their luck: Sutton, Gusev and Borrajo go. They have no chance. Sutton's decision to attack is odd as he should be one of the favorites in a mass sprint.
The break is caught and it will, indeed, be a sprint finish. Farrar manages to catch the wheel of Napolitano.
Grabbing Napolitano's wheel ends up looking a bad move. Danilo decides to have a snack and drops back so Farrar switches to the wheel of Kiendys.
Farrar is indecisive and switches again to the wheel of Greipel as the sprint starts.
Not only has Tyler been unable to get good position, he also has made a huge mistake in earlier leaving the wheel of Napolitano. As Farrar struggles to move forward, guess who is going to win?
That's right, it is Napolitano who takes the stage. In fact, Credit Agricole dominates the sprint placing 4 in the top 10.
Results
1 Danilo Napolitano CRÉDIT AGRICOLE 3h45'15
2 Fran Ventoso CRÉDIT AGRICOLE s.t.
3 Jaume Rovira QUICKSTEP - INNERGETIC s.t.
4 Rafael Andriato CRÉDIT AGRICOLE s.t.
5 Tyler Farrar DISCOVERY CHANNEL s.t.
6 Yauhen Sobal T-MOBILE TEAM s.t.
7 André Greipel CRÉDIT AGRICOLE s.t.
8 Tomasz Kiendys SYMMETRICS CYCLING TEAM s.t.
9 Martin Mortensen LIQUIGAS s.t.
10 Mikhail Ignatiev TEAM CSC s.t.
11 Alejandro Borrajo TEAM SLIPSTREAM s.t.
12 Philippe Gilbert GEROLSTEINER s.t.
13 Vladimir Gusev LIQUIGAS s.t.
14 Jonas Decouttere GEROLSTEINER s.t.
15 Nick Nuyens LIQUIGAS s.t.
16 Eduard Vorganov CRÉDIT AGRICOLE s.t.
17 Yuri Krivtsov LIQUIGAS s.t.
18 Riccardo Riccò T-MOBILE TEAM s.t.
19 Victor Safonov T-MOBILE TEAM s.t.
20 Davide Malacarne PREDICTOR - LOTTO s.t.
21 Krzysztof Szczawinski PREDICTOR - LOTTO s.t.
22 Fabian Wegmann GEROLSTEINER s.t.
23 Jérôme Baugnies PREDICTOR - LOTTO s.t.
24 Jakob Fiedler TEAM CSC s.t.
25 Andrea Palini TEAM CSC s.t.
GC
1 Jakob Fiedler TEAM CSC 3h50'36
2 Fabian Cancellara TEAM CSC + 2
3 Mikhail Ignatiev TEAM CSC + 3
4 Markus Reich DISCOVERY CHANNEL s.t.
5 Jason Donald DISCOVERY CHANNEL + 4
6 Martin Mortensen LIQUIGAS + 6
7 Danilo Napolitano CRÉDIT AGRICOLE + 7
8 Jaume Rovira QUICKSTEP - INNERGETIC + 8
9 Andy Schleck DISCOVERY CHANNEL s.t.
10 Yaroslav Popovych DISCOVERY CHANNEL + 10
Points
1 Jakob Fiedler TEAM CSC 0 25
2 Danilo Napolitano CRÉDIT AGRICOLE 25 25
3 Mikhail Ignatiev TEAM CSC 6 22
4 Fabian Cancellara TEAM CSC 0 20
5 Fran Ventoso CRÉDIT AGRICOLE 20 20
Mountain
1 Paolo Longo Borghini RABOBANK 10 10
2 Francesco Civero T-MOBILE TEAM 8 8
3 Vladimir Gusev LIQUIGAS 6 6
4 Jonathan Garcia BMC CYCLING TEAM 4 4
5 Alejandro Borrajo TEAM SLIPSTREAM 2 2 |
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| SeoulYank |
Posted on 22-07-2009 15:08
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Tour of California
Stage 3: Santa Rosa - Sacramento
Another flat stage, another chance for Farrar.
After several attemps at a break which are denied by the peloton, a group of 3 (Jacobs, Hary and Fieber) get away. Yesterday CSC lead the chase, defending yellow. With a CSC man in the break today, it will be interesting to see CSC's race strategy.
CSC controls the pace of the peloton, holding the break at around 7 minutes, not letting them get any further and not chasing any harder. With 95km to go, Discovery Channel moves forward to take charge of the chase.
Fieber attacks and opens a 2 minute lead over the rest of the break. CSC definitely won't chase now.
Discovery Channel, with help, catches Fieber and we move towards the sprint. Farrar learned his lesson yesterday and grabs Napolitano's wheel.
Turns out this may have been a bad day to pick Napolitano's wheel. Danilo is well back as the sprint gets started.
Farrar has no chance (nor does Napolitano). Mortensen will get the win today with Farrar finishing a very disappointing 8th.
Farrar's failure today hurts on two levels: 1) no stage win, 2) Mortensen taking the stage and the 20 second time bonus moves him into yellow, 18 seconds ahead of Donald. With his time trialing skills combined with the potential for him to get further time bonuses in sprints, he is now a huge threat to take the Tour.
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Posted on 22-07-2009 15:11
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Damn Napolitiano |
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Posted on 22-07-2009 21:23
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SeoulYank wrote:
It's the database, in this case PCM Spain. If you think about it though, who knows exactly how a cyclist will evolve over the course of 7 years? Even 1 year. One year ago who would have said Wiggins would be 3rd at the Tour de France during the 3rd week?
A good point for you my friends!
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Posted on 22-07-2009 23:17
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SeoulYank wrote:
Amilcà r is very strong! Andy Schleck can probably win tdf, he have good stats.
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| SeoulYank |
Posted on 23-07-2009 03:24
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A good point for you my friends!
I love career sports management games. You have to figure no matter how strong the management game, once you get past the first season it becomes pure fantasy. Nobody can predict how athletes will develop, especially young ones.
My other favorite game is Football Manager, which I'm sure a lot of people on this board enjoy as well. That game is about as good as it comes with regards to talent scouting, etc. Still, thinking back over past games and how players have developed in real life, sometimes they get it right and players they predict will be very good indeed turn out to be very good. Sometimes they get it horribly wrong (Tonton Zola Moukoko or Andri Sigporsson anyone?). That's just the way it is. |
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Posted on 23-07-2009 03:52
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Talking about scouting riders, I was playing my Hearts (don't ask) career in Fifa 08 today. I signed a scouted defender who turned out to be a 79, which is the second highest scouted player I've ever found (I found a english goalie once who was an 82). His name was K.Dickerson, nothing strange about that right.....well wrong, he was Spanish and his first name (I don't remember it exactly) was Croatian. I really am starting to be impressed with the name generation in PCM's scouting system. |
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